Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Spanky]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/....ap/index.html

Do you think that some of these opposition leaders may be for democracy? Funny that there is a discussion of an election in a country where everyone wants democracy "as much as they want a hole in the head". I guess the whole exercise if fruitless because "they don't get it, and don't want to get it".

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I can't believe I beat Penske to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Jo_Kopechne

[spree - 36th anniversary of Mary Jo Kopechne's death]

Honestly, I think this a day on which we would all do well to say a prayer of thanks to our Lord and to remember this innocent young woman. Mary Jo Kopechne is an American hero. Without any forethought to her legacy and completely selflessly she gave her life and in doing so ensured that fat ignorant tub of elitist socialist shite would never be elected President of the United States of America and thereby be put in a position to destroy our beloved Republic. After Reagan, she is my top choice for addition to Mt. Rushmore.

I actually went to Church (Catholic) for the first time in 3 years today and lit a candle and said a prayer for MJ's soul, may she rest in peace, god bless, amen.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
eta: sgtclub posted the other night about how the board is much more polarized than it used to be, and I agreed that it mirrored the country this way. Your post is a perfect example of how and why Rove et al. push this polarization. You seem to think that there are only two positions in this debate, and that if you can trash Wilson then you win.

Actually, this all started [again] when the Dems started calling for Rove's head, over a non-leak.

Who fucking cares about whether Wilson told the truth about this stuff?

Exactly. Ignore the reasons why Plame came up in the first place (nepotism).

You can think that Wilson is an opportunist who likes the spotlight a little too much and who can't keep his story straight over time, and still think that he was right to call attention to the Administration's scaremongering about Niger uranium, and that Rove et al. were wrong to defenestrate his wife.

If that's all he did (call attention to scaremongering), I wouldn't have much of a problem. Recall that he was calling for Rove to frogmarched out of DC in cuffs a long, long time ago.

I asked you the other day how Rove could have known when he was talking to Cooper and Novak that Wilson was a partisan hack. You've ducked that question. Wilson's many actions and words since then aren't an answer.

I'm not ducking anything. It's a simple answer.

In June and July on 2003, before his NYT signed op-ed and during the time he was talking to Kristof, Wilson was going around to anyone and everyone in DC that would listen that (i) contrary to his original report, there were no Niger-Iraq meetings and (ii) that documents were forged, even though he hadn't seen them.

Why would a Gore supporter and husband of a CIA worker (who- even before his trip deemed the Niger connection as "crazy" ) make such statements? The only justifiable answer is "partisan hack"

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Actually, this all started [again] when the Dems started calling for Rove's head, over a non-leak.

It's looking more and more like a leak from all sources except Rove's lawyer.

Exactly. Ignore the reasons why Plame came up in the first place (nepotism).

CIA denies Plame had anything to do with Wilson's selection. What's your source?

If that's all he did (call attention to scaremongering), I wouldn't have much of a problem. Recall that he was calling for Rove to frogmarched out of DC in cuffs a long, long time ago.

You'd be pissed, too

I'm not ducking anything. It's a simple answer.

In June and July on 2003, before his NYT signed op-ed and during the time he was talking to Kristof, Wilson was going around to anyone and everyone in DC that would listen that (i) contrary to his original report, there were no Niger-Iraq meetings and (ii) that documents were forged, even though he hadn't seen them.

Why would a Gore supporter and husband of a CIA worker (who- even before his trip deemed the Niger connection as "crazy" ) make such statements? The only justifiable answer is "partisan hack"

Wilson consulted for W's first campaign, also. Interesting that the only evidence of partisanship listed on the GOP talking points were comments made after Rove outed his wife. And maybe he called the Niger allegations "crazy" is because they were, in fact, "crazy." Too bad W has such disregard for the truth that he made "crazy" allegations in his SOTU address.

[SlaveNoMore]

Shape Shifter
Wilson consulted for W's first campaign, also.

Cite please. Especially since he voted for Gore.

As for your CIA denying Plame had anything to do with his selection, are you fucking retarded.

[SlaveNoMore]

Shape Shifter
Interesting that the only evidence of partisanship listed on the GOP talking points were comments made after Rove outed his wife.

LOL

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Who fucking cares? Is Wilson running the country? No.

eta: sgtclub posted the other night about how the board is much more polarized than it used to be, and I agreed that it mirrored the country this way. Your post is a perfect example of how and why Rove et al. push this polarization.

It's not just Rove or the GOP. The DEMs have at least an equal part in this.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
LOL

Wilson donated $1,000 to W's campaign in '00. Now are you going to post evidence of partisanship (a vote for Gore hardly counts, except in the limited minds of neocon conspiracy theorists) or are you just going to continue to degenerate into the board dick?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sgtclub
It's not just Rove or the GOP. The DEMs have at least an equal part in this.

I would say greater than equal. It was Carville and Begala who invented the Politics of Personal Destruction loosely based on the earlier Demo invention known as the Borking Formula.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Wilson donated $1,000 to W's campaign in '00.

Pshaw. Anyone who's watched Mary Carey's conversion to Republicanism on The Daily Show knows that it takes a full $5,000 to become a playa. Hell, I bet Wilson's grand didn't even earn him the chance to write some energy legislation.

Now are you going to post evidence of partisanship (a vote for Gore hardly counts, except in the limited minds of neocon conspiracy theorists) or are you just going to continue to degenerate into the board dick?

Is there a comma missing here?

[Penske_Account]

In celebration of this hallowed day, at the suggestion of a Usenet group that I am a participant of, I called Senator Kennedy's office a few minutes ago and wished the Senator a happy anniversary.

As good Americans I would suggest y'all do the same. For MJ.

202.224.4543.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
In celebration of this hallowed day, at the suggestion of a Usenet group that I am a participant of, I called Senator Kennedy's office a few minutes ago and wished the Senator a happy anniversary.

As good Americans I would suggest y'all do the same. For MJ.

202.224.4543.

Thanks for the phone number! Just wanted to let you know that I used it to call Senator Kennedy's office and thank him and his family for their service to our country, in time of war and of peace. Saved me the effort of looking it up!

[SlaveNoMore]

Shape Shifter
Wilson donated $1,000 to W's campaign in '00. Now are you going to post evidence of partisanship (a vote for Gore hardly counts, except in the limited minds of neocon conspiracy theorists) or are you just going to continue to degenerate into the board dick?

He donated money to W because, in his own words, he "disliked McCain". He probably thought McCain had a better chance to win.

I posted and referred to all the "behind the scenes" mechanics of Wilson before the NYT op-ed with his by-line.

But you chose to ignore it. Surprise, surprise.

And if I don't respond to this topic anymore, it's because pointing out the truth to brain-damaged liberals like you is a waste of my fucking time, since it all boils down to "Bush is Evil, Republicans Suck"

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Thanks for the phone number! Just wanted to let you know that I used it to call Senator Kennedy's office and thank him and his family for their service to our country, in time of war and of peace. Saved me the effort of looking it up!

You expose yourself as the true board dick for showing this much disrespect for a dead woman killed at the hands of an unapologetic elitist fvckstain!

Perhaps you would be interested in a victim's statement. A friend forwarded me the following via email, which purportedly may be an actual email from the great beyond from Ms. Kopechne:

subject: Remember Me?
From: Mary Jo Kopechne
to: the political naifs of the modern age, eg: Sexual Panda

I would have been 65 years of age this year. Read about me and my killer below.

When Sen. Ted Kennedy was merely just another Democrat bloating on Capitol Hill on behalf of liberal causes, it was perhaps excusable to ignore his deplorable past.

But now that he’s become a leading Republican attack dog, positioning himself as Washington’s leading arbiter of truth and integrity, the days for such indulgence are now over.

It’s time for the GOP to stand up and remind America why this chief spokesman had to abandon his own presidential bid in 1980 - time to say the words Mary Jo Kopechne out loud.

As is often the case, Republicans have deluded themselves into thinking that most Americans already know the story of how this “Leading Light of the Democratic Party” left Miss Kopechne behind to die in the waters underneath the Edgartown Bridge in July 1969, after a night of drinking and partying with the young blonde campaign worker.

But most Americans under 40 have never heard that story, or details of how Kennedy swam to safety, then tried to get his cousin Joe Garghan to say he was behind the wheel.

Those young voters don’t know how Miss Kopechne, trapped inside Kennedy’s Oldsmobile, gasped for air until she finally died, while the Democrats’ leading Iraq war critic rushed back to his compound to formulate the best alibi he could think of.

Neither does Generation X know how Kennedy was thrown out of Harvard on his ear 15 years earlier — for paying a fellow student to take his Spanish final. Or why the US Army denied him a commission because he cheated on tests.

As they listen to the Democrats’ “Liberal Lion” accuse President Bush of “telling lie after lie after lie” to get America to go to war in Iraq, young voters don’t know about that notorious 1991 Easter weekend in Palm Beach, when Uncle Teddy rounded up his nephews for a night on the town, an evening that ended with one of them credibly accused of rape.

It’s time for Republicans to state unabashedly that they will no longer “go along with the gag” when it comes to Uncle Ted’s rants about deception and moral turpitude inside the Bush White House.

And if the Republicans don’t, let’s do it ourselves by passing this forgotten disgrace around the Internet to wake up memories of what a fraud and fake Teddy really is.

The Democratic Party should be ashamed to have the national disgrace from Massachusettsas their spokesman.

And the GOP needs to say so out loud!
Sincerely,

Mary Jo Kopechne

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
He donated money to W because, in his own words, he "disliked McCain". He probably thought McCain had a better chance to win.

I posted and referred to all the "behind the scenes" mechanics of Wilson before the NYT op-ed with his by-line.

I missed it. If you cite to it, I'll read it.

And if I don't respond to this topic anymore, it's because pointing out the truth to brain-damaged liberals like you is a waste of my fucking time, since it all boils down to "Bush is Evil, Republicans Suck"

Truth becomes such an exalted virtue, except in something as minor as a SOTU address, I guess.

Keep up the good work, though. You've become penske without the funny parts.