Nutjobs Ranting About Politics.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
There will be one more dirt push in the second or third week of October, relating to Bush's drug/alcohol use and DUI records. It's not over yet.

Are you kidding? There'll be another dirt push starting tomorrow (?) when Kitty Kelley's book is released. Don't think that Kerry has anything to do with it.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Are you kidding? There'll be another dirt push starting tomorrow (?) when Kitty Kelley's book is released. Don't think that Kerry has anything to do with it.

Next week, we'll see the new Dan Rather expose', "Bush: The Pedophile Years."

Apparently, Rather has no sources for the allegations in his new production, but has announced that "Hey! I'm Dan Rather! 'Nuff said!"

(Betcha five dollars Kitty Kerry's . . . er . . . Kelley's . . . book crashes and burns in about two weeks.)

[bilmore]

A surprisingly good article about "sewer socialism."

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...,6657403.story

(It's a good thing.)

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Are you kidding? There'll be another dirt push starting tomorrow (?) when Kitty Kelley's book is released. Don't think that Kerry has anything to do with it.

So let me make sure I understand you. Kerry had nothing to do with moveon.org or the fake memos or the group that is now running ads against GWB in regards to his NG service or with Kitty Kelly's book. But GWB is in bed with the swifties for truth. Is that your position?

[Not Me]

Originally posted by bilmore
A surprisingly good article about "sewer socialism."

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...,6657403.story

(It's a good thing.)

I refuse to register at a left-wing paper website. If you copy and paste the relevant sections here I will read them. Otherwise, I will forever remain ignorant about sewer socialism and feel good about it.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by bilmore
Next week, we'll see the new Dan Rather expose', "Bush: The Pedophile Years."

How is this any different from Whitewater?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by bilmore
Then there is the question of law clerk confidentiality. The clerks who spoke to Vanity Fair apparently viewed their duty of confidentiality to the Court as subject to waiver when in their judgment the Court has gone badly astray:

To the inevitable charges that they broke their vow of confidentiality, the clerks [who spoke to Vaniy Fair] have a ready response: by taking on Bush v. Gore and deciding the case as it did, the Court broke its promise to them. "We feel that something illegitimate was done with the Court's power, and such an extraordinary situation justifies breaking an obligation we'd otherwise honor," one clerk says.

Hmmm. Sounds pretty flimsy to me, for obvious reasons.

Did you read The Brethren? Nice to see you're reading VF, though. What's that rascal Ed Coaster up to this month?

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
How is this any different from Whitewater?

Do you mean other than the box of Rose Law Firm documents detailing HRC involvment in Whitewater that HRC hid from investigators for so long but finally showed up in the WH living quarters?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Not Me
Do you mean other than the box of Rose Law Firm documents detailing HRC involvment in Whitewater that HRC hid from investigators for so long but finally showed up in the WH living quarters?

I thought the right wing font experts proved that those were forgeries.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I thought the right wing font experts proved that those were forgeries.

Kitty Kelley was NEVER in Cambodia.

[Say_hello_for_me]

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-hous13.html

Basically, study finds that section 8 vouchers are very concentrated in certain neighborhoods. No surprise, right? I mean, I'd read this already, just not as the result of a study. And empirical evidence should have suggested this already to any observer.

However, I was always willing to rack this up to ghetto people not wanting to leave the ghetto, for example when public housing is torn down and the residents are given vouchers. The article acknowledges that this is at least a partial cause, but also notes that there are entire communities where nobody will accept a voucher. Entire liberal, lakefront liberal, lakefront democratic liberal, communities where nobody will accept a section 8 voucher.

I'll just note that I think about 75% of this country's race/poverty/crime problems would disappear over 20 or 30 years if every community shouldered its share of this burden (housing), instead of concentrating it in just a few neighborhoods. I mean, if we are going to pay for the housing at all, why not try to ensure that the resultant burdens are spread among communities?

Anyway, I was impressed with the lady in the last two paragraphs.

Hello

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-hous13.html

Basically, study finds that section 8 vouchers are very concentrated in certain neighborhoods. No surprise, right? I mean, I'd read this already, just not as the result of a study. And empirical evidence should have suggested this already to any observer.

However, I was always willing to rack this up to ghetto people not wanting to leave the ghetto, for example when public housing is torn down and the residents are given vouchers. The article acknowledges that this is at least a partial cause, but also notes that there are entire communities where nobody will accept a voucher. Entire liberal, lakefront liberal, lakefront democratic liberal, communities where nobody will accept a section 8 voucher.

I know this is a huge problem in Baltimore. A few years back the city tore down several large public housing projects (which admittedly needed to come down). Problem was, there already were too few landlords taking Section 8 vouchers in the city, and none would take them in the county, so it ended up putting about a 1000 families without a home. It was a real mess.

And even when they do accept the vouchers, the landlords are often nightmares. There was a nasty case last spring where a woman was in the hospital for surgery, and the landlord threw her out (by dumping all her stuff out in the street) because the program was late in paying for the month. When the woman got out of the hospital a couple of days later, she found all her stuff gone. Needless to say, this is not legal (landlords can't throw out tenents because of the program's late payment), and the landlord got bitchslapped in court and then again immediately afterwards on "Channel 11 I-Team Investigates!"

Interestingly (to me, anyway), there is a community in the Baltimore area known as Columbia that was founded as one of the first modern planned communities and its founder had an ideal of complete racial integration (as opposed to most suburbs, where the undertone is white flight). No idea what the section 8 market is like in Columbia, but the entire city is built with apartments, townhomes and single families all crammed together. It's a nice place (in a suburban soulless kind of way), and very successful. So you may be rights about the race/crime problem.

ETA: Of course, the firm that created Columbia, The Rouse Company, just anounced a merger with some Chicago developer, and everybody pretty much figures it's the end of any pretense of Columbia as modern utopia.

[pony_trekker]

Originally posted by Not Me
Bad campaign strategy . . . .

Bad WHAT strategy? I don't think the Kerry camp knows that word. I haven't seen or heard a damn thing from him.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
I'll just note that I think about 75% of this country's race/poverty/crime problems would disappear over 20 or 30 years if every community shouldered its share of this burden (housing) . . .

Hunger across the world would probably disappear if the rest of us would simply "shoulder our share of the burden" and send our spare food to them until it hurt.

But - your supposition is that someone else's problems are rightfully considered mine - that I have a "share" of the problem myself, and that failing to pay "my share" for someone else's support is an unpaid debt of mine.

I respectfully don't buy that.

[pony_trekker]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
reports that the Fallujah Brigade has now been disbanded. The article describes two marine aircraft getting shot up while flying over their base.

Ty, what were you saying about Fallujah? Should we be:

1.) Leveling the town;

Yes, but for reasons unrelated to our occupation of Iraq, which was a damn stupid idea.