Missing the Paigow (et al.) [sniff]

[SlaveNoMore]

Pretty Little Flower
If I were a TV exec, I'd come up with a new show based on the simple premise that the criminal justice system is a rigged deck wherein hundreds of innocents get railroaded and go to jail. I would not need to worry about casting, however, as it would be a documentary.

and then tie it all back to Bush, Cheney and Delay and have Michael Moore direct it.

[Flinty_McFlint]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
If I were a TV exec, I'd come up with a new show based on the simple premise that the criminal justice system is a rigged deck wherein hundreds of innocents get railroaded and go to jail. I would not need to worry about casting, however, as it would be a documentary.

Forget all the bad things I ever said about you. Even the stuff you didn't hear.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Mr. Man
No, apparently he did not commit the prior crime. My point was that yes, in fact, DNA testing did prove to free a white guy who was incarcerated. The rest was just commentary. Your reading skills must be slipping.

Bullshit. Here's your point: They let someone out who was falsely accused, who then committed a similar crime as the one for which he was falsely accused and doing as much is "a ringing endorsement for the whole process."

That makes absolutely no sense and now you're acting like an ass.

TM

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
Forget all the bad things I ever said about you. Even the stuff you didn't hear.

2. I like this flower better.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
If black men weren't seen as guiltier the darker they are
TM

This comment reminded me of this SNL skit:

Garrett Morris: Good evening, and welcome to "Black Perspective". I'm your host, Garrett Morris. Tonight our guest is Mr. Julian Bond, and we'll be talking about the myths surrounding black I.Q. Specifically, the myth that whites are inherently more intelligent than blacks.

Julian Bond: Good evening, Garrett.

Garrett Morris: Now, Julian, perhaps you could explain something to me. In all these studies comparing black I.Q. to white I.Q., what kind of test is used to measure I.Q.'s in the first place?

Julian Bond: Well, this is the major problem with these studies. The measurements of I.Q. which form the basis of comparison come from tests composed by whites for whites. The tests are culturally biased; it's not surprising that whites would score better than blacks.

Garrett Morris: Could you give us an example of what you're talking about?

Julian Bond: Certainly. Here are some questions that have appeared on recent I.Q. tests. Number one: "You have been invited over for cocktails by the officer of your trust fund. Cocktails begin at 4:30, but you must make an appearance at a 6:00 formal dinner at the Yacht Club. What do you do about dress?
A. Wear your blue-striped seersucker suit to cocktails and change into your tuxedo in the bathroom, apologizing to your host for the inconvenience.
B. Wear your tuxedo to cocktails, apologizing to your host for wearing a dinner jacket before 6:00 PM.
C. Walk to the subway at Columbus Circle and take the "A" Train uptown."

Garrett Morris: Uh.. I guess I'd choose the last one.

Julian Bond: I'm sorry, that's incorrect.

Garrett Morris: Damn.

Julian Bond: Here's another: "When waxing your skis for a cross-country run, you should..."

Garrett Morris: [ interrupting ] Well, I think I understand the problem with the tests. But the fact is that people have been saying that white people are smarter than black for hundreds of years. We've only had I.Q. tests for 20 or 30 years. How did the idea of white intellectual superiority originate?

Julian Bond: That's an interesting point. My theory is that it's based on the fact that light-skinned blacks are smarter than dark-skinned blacks.

Garrett Morris: [ not sure he heard that right ] Say what?

Julian Bond: I said I think it might have grown out of the observation that light-skinned blacks are smarter than dark-skinned blacks.

Garrett Morris: I don't get it.

Julian Bond: It's got nothing to do with having white blood. It's just that descendants of the lighter-skinned African tribes are more intelligent than the descendants of the darker-skinned tribes. Everybody knows that.

Garrett Morris: This is the first time I've heard of it.

Julian Bond: Seriously? It was proven a long time ago.

Garrett Morris: Well, I still don't quite understand. We're out of time right now, but perhaps you could come back on the show again and explain it further.

Julian Bond: There's very little to explain - it's just like I told you.

Garrett Morris: Well, we are out of time. Good night. [ to Julian ] If you could repeat it just once more..

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I know it must happen, but has anyone seen one of these stories that didn't involve a black man?



http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/01/23/dn....ap/index.html

DNA frees man after 24 years in prison

TM

Yeh, but it wasn't a comparison any black man would want. The guy looked like Joe Dirt.

Oh, shit... yeh... some fat white guy was freed a year or so ago. He promptly went out and raped and murdered a woman. His toothless mother was on CNN, explaining between bong-hit sized inhalations from a Salem 100 that "her boy was framed." Apparantly, an unknown murderer deposited the dead woman's bloodied personal effects in a trash heap near her son's trailer. I believe he also may have deposited some of her son's semen on the dead woman as well.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
So you can make some universal declaration about how the police, the justice system and society as a whole are all systematically criminally racist - and somehow this makes a case?

Yes. I can do that because there are studies showing as much. And if you're going to sit there and act like an asshole and tell me that white people experience the same things on the same scale, there's no point in talking to you at all.

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
And because I point out that you are parroting a Reverend Al platform, I'm now a racist, too?

No. The fact that you cannot form a cohesive argument and resort to pulling up a name of someone you think will give you some credibility because he is black and controversial makes you an asshole. One who is losing the argument.

If you want to say some shit about me or my argument, do so. But save this bullshit baiting crap for the PB.

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I could call you Ward Churchill, but then you'd probably call me an indian hater.

I'd probably just call you an asshole. Again.

And you still haven't said shit.

TM

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
But save this bullshit baiting crap for the PB.

words to live by.

[Mr. Man]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Bullshit. Here's your point: They let someone out who was falsely accused, who then committed a similar crime as the one for which he was falsely accused and doing as much is "a ringing endorsement for the whole process."

That makes absolutely no sense and now you're acting like an ass.

TM

Bullshit on you. My point was that in fact it is not only blacks that have been held in prison when DNA can prove their innocence. My secondary point was that I hope the UW law school professors who got the law changed are happy with their work. If it helps to separate those points more by putting them each in their own paragraph I could do that too.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
If I were a TV exec, I'd come up with a new show based on the simple premise that the criminal justice system is a rigged deck wherein hundreds of innocents get railroaded and go to jail. I would not need to worry about casting, however, as it would be a documentary.

And I would have Joe Rogan host.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I'd argue for 101.

As long as you're not that extra one?

Is Politics broken?

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
and then tie it all back to Bush, Cheney and Delay and have Michael Moore direct it.

Good one. You're really hammering your non-existent point home.

TM

[Mr. Man]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
As long as you're not that extra one?

Is Politics broken?

I also have a great quiche recipe I'd like to share on this board.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Mr. Man
Bullshit on you. My point was that in fact it is not only blacks that have been held in prison when DNA can prove their innocence. My secondary point was that I hope the UW law school professors who got the law changed are happy with their work. If it helps to separate those points more by putting them each in their own paragraph I could do that too.

Could you do that? I'm trying, but I just can't seem to get what you're saying.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Fact discovered by my sister this weekend when she was doing some research: in WW1, dachshunds were stoned in the street in the US and the UK because they represented Germany until some enterprising soul rechristianed them "Liberty Pups".

Fuck this. Theree edits is enough. I quuit.