Nutjobs Ranting About Politics.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-hous13.html

Basically, study finds that section 8 vouchers are very concentrated in certain neighborhoods. No surprise, right? I mean, I'd read this already, just not as the result of a study. And empirical evidence should have suggested this already to any observer.

However, I was always willing to rack this up to ghetto people not wanting to leave the ghetto, for example when public housing is torn down and the residents are given vouchers. The article acknowledges that this is at least a partial cause, but also notes that there are entire communities where nobody will accept a voucher. Entire liberal, lakefront liberal, lakefront democratic liberal, communities where nobody will accept a section 8 voucher.

I'll just note that I think about 75% of this country's race/poverty/crime problems would disappear over 20 or 30 years if every community shouldered its share of this burden (housing), instead of concentrating it in just a few neighborhoods. I mean, if we are going to pay for the housing at all, why not try to ensure that the resultant burdens are spread among communities?

Anyway, I was impressed with the lady in the last two paragraphs.

Hello

There needs to be more aggressive enforcement by the Illinois Human Rights Commission, the body that is charged with enforcing the state's civil rights statute.

Of course, Hello, you really don't know very much about Chicago if you think that the North Shore is either liberal or Democrat. If you're talking about the city's lakefront neighborhoods, then there is not much housing that would be affordable to voucher tenants. Hell, there isn't much housing on the lakefron that would be affordable to young lawyers making less than BIGLAW salaries.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by bilmore
Hunger across the world would probably disappear if the rest of us would simply "shoulder our share of the burden" and send our spare food to them until it hurt.

But - your supposition is that someone else's problems are rightfully considered mine - that I have a "share" of the problem myself, and that failing to pay "my share" for someone else's support is an unpaid debt of mine.

I respectfully don't buy that.

Which is why we need a progressive income tax and the imposition of a governmental bureaucracy, albeit an inefficient one, to stand between you and those in need.

But at least it's cheaper than living in a walled compound and paying armed guards to protect you from the unwashed masses. And it's easier than beating off the beggars in the streets.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by bilmore
Hunger across the world would probably disappear if the rest of us would simply "shoulder our share of the burden" and send our spare food to them until it hurt.

But - your supposition is that someone else's problems are rightfully considered mine - that I have a "share" of the problem myself, and that failing to pay "my share" for someone else's support is an unpaid debt of mine.

I respectfully don't buy that.

My supposition is that if the government (via liberal doctrine) is going to force all of us to "share" the burdens financially, than we should all reasonably be expected to "share" the risks and burdens geographically and legally. Here, wealthy communities (that ironically tend liberal) are paying to avoid their burdens, sorta like rich people paying $500 to buy out of the civil war draft. What kind of war on poverty is this when we allow people to buy their way out?

Which is to say, if we are going to do it, why not do it right?

And that's just my moral position.

My rational probable-results driven position is that putting one family among every 100 is better than putting 99 among 100 in some places and 0 among 100 in many others.

Hello


ET note that it appears that Colin Powell was just talking 'bout unfair drafts yesterday on TV.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by taxwonk

Of course, Hello, you really don't know very much about Chicago if you think that the North Shore is either liberal or Democrat. If you're talking about the city's lakefront neighborhoods, then there is not much housing that would be affordable to voucher tenants. Hell, there isn't much housing on the lakefron that would be affordable to young lawyers making less than BIGLAW salaries.

This is funny in ways that nobody could understand merely from seeing my internet persona.

A.) The article specifically notes that the lady was turned away at many more affordable places on the North Shore, and is the only recipient in the town where she could find a place. In other places (read: other states), the voucher limits are actually raised to ensure that some section 8 recipient or another can afford to live there. This was discussed on the Infirm politics board about 2 years ago, with respect to suburbs in the DC area.

B.) Liberal like Deerfield? Evanston? Liberal like the late Senator Dixon (or whoever that guy was whose daughter was murdered)? Don't get me wrong, I'm not from the North Shore. But the area is a punch line for working-class conservatives. That said, honest question, who are the congresspersons from the North Shore these days?

Hello

[bilmore]

Originally posted by taxwonk
But at least it's cheaper than living in a walled compound and paying armed guards to protect you from the unwashed masses. And it's easier than beating off the beggars in the streets.

Certainly, which is why I willingly support charity, and don't mind my taxes all that much (when they're not being wasted to appease someone's ego.)

But it's my choice. And your idea that, thankfully, you can confiscate from me up to your perceived level of "need" (which always seems to expand to bypass "available") is why I stay a fiscal conservative.

(Now, I just wish Bush would, too.)

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
This is funny in ways that nobody could understand merely from seeing my internet persona.

A.) The article specifically notes that the lady was turned away at many more affordable places on the North Shore, and is the only recipient in the town where she could find a place. In other places (read: other states), the voucher limits are actually raised to ensure that some section 8 recipient or another can afford to live there. This was discussed on the Infirm politics board about 2 years ago, with respect to suburbs in the DC area.

B.) Liberal like Deerfield? Evanston? Liberal like the late Senator Dixon (or whoever that guy was whose daughter was murdered)? Don't get me wrong, I'm not from the North Shore. But the area is a punch line for working-class conservatives. That said, honest question, who are the congresspersons from the North Shore these days?

Hello

A) I'm not doubting that the lady in the article was turned away in other Northern suburbs. I'm just saying that if the landlords were typical North Shore residents, they were Republican and anything but liberal.

B) Mark Kirk has most of the Northern suburbs. He's a moderate Republican. There hasn't been a Democrat on the North Shore as long as I've been voting. The rest of the Northern Burbs are covered by Phil Crane, a guy who makes Grover Norquist look liberal.

Deerfield is a Republican stronghold as well. The one town that I would agree has a liberal bias is Evanston.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by taxwonk
A) I'm not doubting that the lady in the article was turned away in other Northern suburbs. I'm just saying that if the landlords were typical North Shore residents, they were Republican and anything but liberal.

B) Mark Kirk has most of the Northern suburbs. He's a moderate Republican. There hasn't been a Democrat on the North Shore as long as I've been voting. The rest of the Northern Burbs are covered by Phil Crane, a guy who makes Grover Norquist look liberal.

Deerfield is a Republican stronghold as well. The one town that I would agree has a liberal bias is Evanston.

I recognize both names as R's. Guess maybe I never associated Phil Crane with the North Shore. Nevertheless, the public perception is out there. Google "North Shore liberal" and you get 43 hits. "North Shore conservative" gets 1. Weird that, too. It seems like every person I've met from that area (law school, undergrad) is a democrat or otherwise liberal.

Does Kenilworth let dead people vote or something?

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
I'll just note that I think about 75% of this country's race/poverty/crime problems would disappear over 20 or 30 years if every community shouldered its share of this burden (housing), instead of concentrating it in just a few neighborhoods.

The race/poverty/crime problems in this country will not get better unless the black community does something about the break down of the black family and about black cultural disdain for education. When blacks begin to take responsibility for their own destiny, that is when things will get better. As long as modern-day slave masters like AG keep encouraging blacks to fight for slave reparation instead of spending this energy focusing on getting black men to take financial responsibility for their children, nothing will change.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by taxwonk
There needs to be more aggressive enforcement by the Illinois Human Rights Commission, the body that is charged with enforcing the state's civil rights statute.

Yeah, that is how to solve the problem of poverty and crime. Get the government more involved. The track record of that approach has been great, right?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Not Me
The race/poverty/crime problems in this country will not get better unless the black community does something about the break down of the black family and about black cultural disdain for education. When blacks begin to take responsibility for their own destiny, that is when things will get better. As long as modern-day slave masters like AG keep encouraging blacks to fight for slave reparation instead of spending this energy focusing on getting black men to take financial responsibility for their children, nothing will change.

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[Not Me]

Originally posted by taxwonk
But at least it's cheaper than living in a walled compound and paying armed guards to protect you from the unwashed masses.

Actually, the best way to control the unwashed masses is through religion, not by giving them things. Keeping them poor and pious works every time!

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Not Me
Actually, the best way to control the unwashed masses is through religion, not by giving them things. Keeping them poor and pious works every time!

That's what that Wahab guy said, too.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by bilmore
That's what that Wahab guy said, too.

Are you disputing that religion is the best form of mind control ever invented?

You just need to pick the right religion. The Saudis' mistake was not in choosing religion as the method of controlling their masses, it was in the religion they chose. They chose a violent religion invented by a pedophile. What do you expect when you pick that religion as your vehicle of mind control?

If you pick a religion started by a pacifist wino who fucks whores to control your masses, you get a much better result.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
I recognize both names as R's. Guess maybe I never associated Phil Crane with the North Shore. Nevertheless, the public perception is out there. Google "North Shore liberal" and you get 43 hits. "North Shore conservative" gets 1. Weird that, too. It seems like every person I've met from that area (law school, undergrad) is a democrat or otherwise liberal.

Does Kenilworth let dead people vote or something?

Only dead people live in Kenilworth.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Not Me
So let me make sure I understand you. Kerry had nothing to do with moveon.org or the fake memos or the group that is now running ads against GWB in regards to his NG service or with Kitty Kelly's book. But GWB is in bed with the swifties for truth. Is that your position?

This sort of thing is why I usually don't respond to your posts. Carry on.