Politics: Where we struggle to kneel in the muck.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
IAnd on Nov 29, Vice President Dick Cheney told ABC's "Primetime Live" that, according to the reports that were coming in, bin Laden was in Tora Bora."I think he was equipped to go to ground there," Mr. Cheney said. "He's got what he believes to be a fairly secure facility. He's got caves underground; it's an area he's familiar with."

Taxwonk misuses a word because he thinks he'll sound smart based upon 2 books he read. It was a big word, and not common. He's poorly read.

You don't seem to understand what the word "lie" means. You're poorly educated, borderline illiterate. See?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Although you jest, recent examinations of the wreck suggest that the Titanic sank because faulty rivets popped open.

• Recent discoveries indicate that the loss of the Titanic -- the greatest maritime disaster ever -- may have resulted from nonconforming product, not collision with an iceberg (although the iceberg is still a culprit).
  
  In 1996, Polaris Imaging Inc. explored the Titanic wreckage using low-frequency sonar to scan the damaged hull. Instead of a 300-foot gash, six lateral openings equal to the area of a closet door were found. Studies of steel plates recovered from the ship suggest that the 2,000 plates used in the hull varied in quality.
  
  On Feb. 10, 1998, Tim Foecke of the National Institute of Standards and Technology published a paper concerning a metallurgical study of iron rivets recovered from the ship. His research indicates that the rivets' microstructure may have contributed to their failure on April 14, 1912. Theoretically, the rivets could have popped along the hull's seams where the ship collided against the iceberg.
  
  Foecke found that, unlike standard wrought-iron rivets containing 2 percent slag, the Titanic's rivets had up to 9 percent, which made them brittle. In addition, the streaks of slag in the rivets didn't follow the normal pattern, which also weakened the metal.

The guy's name might make you think this is a joke, but apparently not.

Don't underestimate the effects global warming had on the rivets......

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Not to get all scientific on you, but where do you think oil comes from?

It doesn't come out of dirt. I believe it is trapped in stone underground for the most part.

But how about we have all teh discarded car oil dumped into your drinking water supply?

Wait, you are in Detroit -- perhaps you feel that Gary is a normal scene, not something that we'd hope to see only in an apocalyptic sci-fi movie.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Oddly enough, the same thing that prompted my post. The original statement wasn't so bad in context, but you weren't going to hear the context.

Yeah, its a laugh. Since she is a rich, rich, rich never worked Republican, can you imagine the treatment if her guy was running as a Republican and she was dogging a Dem first lady?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
It doesn't come out of dirt. I believe it is trapped in stone underground for the most part.

But how about we have all teh discarded car oil dumped into your drinking water supply?

i'm a rich white Republican. My family and i drink bottled water. But we like for the proles to have contaminated water as that helps make them want to enlist in the military for our endless wars. (5$ of Ty's money to the first one to get the reference).

[Hank Chinaski]

today, in part because I wasn't here to chastise, several "Caption" posts were made. all but one were too lame to be proper. Before today i would have suggested sending a proposed photo via PM to ty to see if it made the grade. alas it is now clear Ty can't be relied upon.

Not to get all Paigow, but you all really should be more prudent in selecting a photo. Question: Is the photo one that truly sets up humorous potential, or is it merely of someone you like to laugh at? you're all adults. i will leave it to each of you....for the time being.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Not Me
What was the context when she yelled Shove It? Or accused her staff member of sabotaging her cookie recipe?

I don't know about the cookie thing, but she said "shove it" to a hack from a Scaife-funded "newspaper" that had been doing the journalistic equivalent of stalking her for a long time.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
The context was that of a USA Today article

Begging the question, when was the last time Zsa Zsa had a real job?

As that article reflects, a couple of the prior questions and answers were:

• Q: Our poll shows a lot of Americans don't think the spouse of the president should have a job in the private sector.
  
  A: I'd love to see the wording in the poll, because I would have said, "If you had a woman president, and the husband was a brilliant neurosurgeon, (should) he give up being a neurosurgeon?" No! And I think what the American people really want is to make sure that the companion to the president — a woman now — supports him. And that's absolutely the No. 1 job for the country's sake, for his sake.
  
  Beyond that, I think the book hasn't been written. You know, there are no clear answers. We have to create our own stories and do the best we can.
  
  * * * * *
  
  Q: Do you have a role model for first lady in mind?
  
  A: The one thing I've learned from watching is that there really isn't a model, because every person coming in is different. Their experiences are different, and times have changed.
  
  Q: You'd be different from Laura Bush?
  
  A: Well, you know, I don't know Laura Bush. But she seems to be calm, and she has a sparkle in her eye, which is good. But I don't know that she's ever had a real job — I mean, since she's been grown up. (Related story: Heinz Kerry apologizes for comments) So her experience and her validation comes from important things, but different things. And I'm older, and my validation of what I do and what I believe and my experience is a little bit bigger — because I'm older, and I've had different experiences. And it's not a criticism of her. It's just, you know, what life is about.

That sentence doesn't sound good on its own -- which is why you should all send me money for wine -- but if you read just a little more it's abudantly clear that she wasn't dissing Laura Bush.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

That sentence doesn't sound good on its own -- which is why you should all send me money for wine -- but if you read just a little more it's abudantly clear that she wasn't dissing Laura Bush.

I think she was. She was playing into the stereotype that the social right wants there woman to play the traditional role (e.g., not work).

[sgtclub]

Kofi Annan, secretary-general of the United Nations, finds it "inconceivable" that Russia, France or China might have been influenced in Security Council debates by Saddam Hussein's Oil for Food business and bribes. "These are very serious and important governments," Mr. Annan told Britain's ITV News Sunday. "You are not dealing with banana republics."

This has been Mr. Annan's chief response so far to the extensive documentation cited in the recent Iraq Survey Group report, from the CIA's Charles Duelfer, that under cover of the U.N.'s Oil for Food relief program Saddam was trying to buy up pals on the U.N. Security Council. Mr. Duelfer tells us that under the leaky U.N. sanctions and corrupt Oil for Food program, Saddam had already built the networks and was amassing the resources to rearm himself with weapons of mass destruction as soon as U.N. sanctions were entirely gone.

With the aim of shedding sanctions, Saddam, according to his regime's own records, was throwing billions in business and millions in bribes to France, Russia and, to a lesser extent, China, all veto-wielding permanent members of the Security Council. As it happened, sanctions were indeed eroding, and these three nations opposed the decision of the U.S. and Britain that Saddam either had to shape up or be shipped out.

But in Mr. Annan's view, Saddam's oil money had nothing to do with it. Nobody buys the officials of France, Russia and China. They are serious and important.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/column.../?id=110005779

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I think she was. She was playing into the stereotype that the social right wants there woman to play the traditional role (e.g., not work).

Since she rejects that proposition in the first Q and A I posted above, I think you're misreading her. Furthermore, everything I know about her makes me think she disagrees with that and is all too happy to say so.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Since she rejects that proposition in the first Q and A I posted above, I think you're misreading her. Furthermore, everything I know about her makes me think she disagrees with that and is all too happy to say so.

Not really. But you may be right, she may be one quasi pol you have to take a face value. It's just that, given who her spouse is, I am suspicious of her motives.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Not really. But you may be right, she may be one quasi pol you have to take a face value. It's just that, given who her spouse is, I am suspicious of her motives.

If she has a problem, it's that she's too blunt, not that she's conniving and slippery.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
As that article reflects, a couple of the prior questions and answers were: (THK blabber)
That sentence doesn't sound good on its own -- which is why you should all send me money for wine -- but if you read just a little more it's abudantly clear that she wasn't dissing Laura Bush.

I don't see the problem being THK dissing Laura Bush. The true problem is her stream-of-consciousness, non-responsive answers which she throws out in grandiose fashion, disenfranchising the majority of Americans (ie., anyone except the Woody Allen-like psychoanalyism addicts, that is). Like what the hell is she talking about "validation" and where that comes from and whose validation is what....blah blah. The fucking question was how her role as First Lady would differ from Laura Bush's. How about a simple answer? Instead we get:

A: Well, you know, I don't know Laura Bush. But she seems to be calm, and she has a sparkle in her eye, which is good. But I don't know that she's ever had a real job — I mean, since she's been grown up. So her experience and her validation comes from important things, but different things. And I'm older, and my validation of what I do and what I believe and my experience is a little bit bigger — because I'm older, and I've had different experiences. And it's not a criticism of her. It's just, you know, what life is about.

As IF that psychobabble is going to endear her to busy Moms in the Patch or in the Urban Ghetto for that matter who don't have the fucking time or luxury to speculate on where their "validation" comes from (or care where anyone else's "validation" comes from). The only people with that luxury are rich white women like her who live outside the hussle and bussle of real life (NTTAWWT, of course).

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
As IF that psychobabble is going to endear her to busy Moms in the Patch or in the Urban Ghetto for that matter who don't have the fucking time or luxury to speculate on where their "validation" comes from (or care where anyone else's "validation" comes from). The only people with that luxury are rich white women like her who live outside the hussle and bussle of real life (NTTAWWT, of course).

I think one of Teresa's bigger gaffs was to go on about how she is older than Laura Bush and then to forget that Laura had been a teachers. Combine that with all her other wacky behaviors and she comes across as beginning to get senile. She has had her face lifted a few times so she doesn't look her age, but her mind is starting to go.

Oh, and Ty, Cookiegate was when she lost a bake-off against Laura Bush and claimed one of her staffers tried to sabatoge her by sending in a purposefully bad tasting cookie recipe to the women's magazine that has the first lady bake off every year. Bizarre behavior indeed.