Politics: Where we struggle to kneel in the muck.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
I don't see the problem being THK dissing Laura Bush. The true problem is her stream-of-consciousness, non-responsive answers which she throws out in grandiose fashion, disenfranchising the majority of Americans (ie., anyone except the Woody Allen-like psychoanalyism addicts, that is). Like what the hell is she talking about "validation" and where that comes from and whose validation is what....blah blah. The fucking question was how her role as First Lady would differ from Laura Bush's. How about a simple answer? Instead we get:

As IF that psychobabble is going to endear her to busy Moms in the Patch or in the Urban Ghetto for that matter who don't have the fucking time or luxury to speculate on where their "validation" comes from (or care where anyone else's "validation" comes from). The only people with that luxury are rich white women like her who live outside the hussle and bussle of real life (NTTAWWT, of course).

OK. Send me $$$ for wine.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
OK. Send me $$$ for wine.

Come on over and we'll share a glass together.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
today, in part because I wasn't here to chastise, several "Caption" posts were made. all but one were too lame to be proper. Before today i would have suggested sending a proposed photo via PM to ty to see if it made the grade. alas it is now clear Ty can't be relied upon.

Not to get all Paigow, but you all really should be more prudent in selecting a photo. Question: Is the photo one that truly sets up humorous potential, or is it merely of someone you like to laugh at? you're all adults. i will leave it to each of you....for the time being.

I understand Ty has already received 5 emails from people he respects telling him that he's funny. Sorry, Hank.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Not Me
She has had her face lifted a few times so she doesn't look her age, but her mind is starting to go.

Funny - she recently did a bit schtick about how sad it is that everyone is concerned about youth and young looks, and not what is "in the head" and some such boring stuff. Actually, it's probably the same interview. So what's with all the facelifts, then?

I must say though, that I kind of like her personal style: (1) she has nice thick hair cut in a perfect length and in a casual style; (2) she ALWAYS has a long, full scarf draped around her in different colors -- even over a pantsuit -- and I love that look. She also doesn't wear too much makeup, which is nice.

I'm JUST SAYING.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Not Me
I think one of Teresa's bigger gaffs was to go on about how she is older than Laura Bush and then to forget that Laura had been a teachers. Combine that with all her other wacky behaviors and she comes across as beginning to get senile. She has had her face lifted a few times so she doesn't look her age, but her mind is starting to go.

Oh, and Ty, Cookiegate was when she lost a bake-off against Laura Bush and claimed one of her staffers tried to sabatoge her by sending in a purposefully bad tasting cookie recipe to the women's magazine that has the first lady bake off every year. Bizarre behavior indeed.

You guys are no fun. Can't deal with a first lady letting her hair down. Sheesh.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
You guys are no fun. Can't deal with a first lady letting her hair down. Sheesh.

I already said I liked her hair. And down. It's the complete disintegration of rational thought and objective when asked simple questions that is unnerving.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
I understand Ty has already received 5 emails from people he respects telling him that he's funny. Sorry, Hank.

I RESPECT lots of people- you even. But only a few are funny. Right now I can't tell if you are, because I can't concentrate on your posts because your current avatar is too creepy.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I RESPECT lots of people- you even. But only a few are funny. Right now I can't tell if you are, because I can't concentrate on your posts because your current avatar is too creepy.

Hank, you are in no position to tell people their avatars are creepy.

eta: the no in front of position.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
You guys are no fun. Can't deal with a first lady letting her hair down. Sheesh.

Wishful thinking on your part. She's not the first lady.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Funny - she recently did a bit schtick about how sad it is that everyone is concerned about youth and young looks, and not what is "in the head" and some such boring stuff. Actually, it's probably the same interview. So what's with all the facelifts, then?

She has had quite a bit of work done. Her PS has done a good job because he left some slack and added some volume, probably a fat graft, maybe a malar implant. Her mid-face is a bit too high, though if she wanted a more natural look.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I RESPECT lots of people- you even. But only a few are funny. Right now I can't tell if you are, because I can't concentrate on your posts because your current avatar is too creepy.

Hank, I give you the same advice I give to other young attorneys.

Sincerity. Once you learn how to fake it, you'll have a bright future.

(ed. sp. err.)

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
I don't know about the cookie thing, but she said "shove it" to a hack from a Scaife-funded "newspaper" that had been doing the journalistic equivalent of stalking her for a long time.

Yes, but it was when said Scaife-funded journalist asked her - innocently enough - about a comment she said no more than an hour earlier, then denied she had made it.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
If she has a problem, it's that she's too blunt, not that she's conniving and slippery.

It's because she's a pompous, insulated aristocrat wannabe.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Yes, but it was when said Scaife-funded journalist asked her - innocently enough - about a comment she said no more than an hour earlier, then denied she had made it.

• ...it is also fair to ask why she rounded on the man from the Tribune-Review.
  
  
  The innocuously-named newspaper has long served as the weapon of Richard Mellon Scaife, its founder and publisher. His name is now synonymous with the campaign of hate and calumny focused on the Clintons during the 1990's, but to Ms. Heinz Kerry, his methods were familiar long before he achieved any national notoriety. During the decades of her marriage to the late Senator H. John Heinz III, she knew Mr. Scaife as part of the rarefied circle of very rich local families whose names adorn museum galleries and university buildings.
  
  
  Although both men were Republicans, Heinz tended to be moderate and occasionally even liberal, while Mr. Scaife was increasingly conservative, attracted to conspiracy theories and aggressive extremism. Years before her first husband's death in 1991, Teresa Heinz came to feel that Mr. Scaife had misused his newspaper to punish her and her husband for dissenting from right-wing Republican orthodoxy. Since her marriage to John Kerry in 1995, the hostility of the Scaife press and the outfits funded by Scaife foundations toward her has been nothing short of vicious.
  
  
  A few days after the Massachusetts Senator and his wife celebrated their second Christmas together, the Tribune-Review ran a column suggesting that Mr. Kerry had been enjoying a "very private" relationship with another woman. There was no byline on the story and no evidence to support the salacious insinuation. There was nothing to it, in fact, except pure malice.
  
  
  When fresh accusations about her husband's fidelity erupted earlier this year in the right-wing press, Ms. Heinz Kerry could scarcely have been surprised that the smear's most eager purveyors included Internet sites financed by Mr. Scaife and his family foundations. Those "news sources" have also impugned Mr. Kerry's patriotism, maligned his military service and distorted his voting record. They happen to be operated by the same discredited scribblers who once tried to convince America that Bill and Hillary Clinton were murderers and drug smugglers.
  
  
  Meanwhile, Ms. Kerry herself is hardly exempt from the angry fantasies emanating from Mr. Scaife's strange universe. Last spring, a Scaife-funded "research group" sent out a study that accused her of covertly financing violent radicals of various kinds, including Islamists, through the straitlaced Heinz foundations that she controls. There was absolutely no basis for that tale -- as the right-wing sleuths could have learned by making a single phone call. The Heinz money they had "traced" through a San Francisco group had actually gone in its entirety to support anti-pollution projects in Pennsylvania.
  
  
  Those are only a few brief examples among dozens. The Scaife disinformation conglomerate has churned out nastiness about Ms. Heinz Kerry by the carload for years, and finally she talked back. The guy she scorched last Sunday was meant to take that message back to his boss in Pittsburgh -- a man who has deserved the brunt of such refreshing candor for a long, long time.

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[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

• ...it is also fair to ask why she rounded on the man from the Tribune-Review.
  
  
  The innocuously-named newspaper has long served as the weapon of Richard Mellon Scaife, its founder and publisher. His name is now synonymous with the campaign of hate and calumny focused on the Clintons during the 1990's, but to Ms. Heinz Kerry, his methods were familiar long before he achieved any national notoriety. During the decades of her marriage to the late Senator H. John Heinz III, she knew Mr. Scaife as part of the rarefied circle of very rich local families whose names adorn museum galleries and university buildings.
  
  
  Although both men were Republicans, Heinz tended to be moderate and occasionally even liberal, while Mr. Scaife was increasingly conservative, attracted to conspiracy theories and aggressive extremism. Years before her first husband's death in 1991, Teresa Heinz came to feel that Mr. Scaife had misused his newspaper to punish her and her husband for dissenting from right-wing Republican orthodoxy. Since her marriage to John Kerry in 1995, the hostility of the Scaife press and the outfits funded by Scaife foundations toward her has been nothing short of vicious.
  
  
  A few days after the Massachusetts Senator and his wife celebrated their second Christmas together, the Tribune-Review ran a column suggesting that Mr. Kerry had been enjoying a "very private" relationship with another woman. There was no byline on the story and no evidence to support the salacious insinuation. There was nothing to it, in fact, except pure malice.
  
  
  When fresh accusations about her husband's fidelity erupted earlier this year in the right-wing press, Ms. Heinz Kerry could scarcely have been surprised that the smear's most eager purveyors included Internet sites financed by Mr. Scaife and his family foundations. Those "news sources" have also impugned Mr. Kerry's patriotism, maligned his military service and distorted his voting record. They happen to be operated by the same discredited scribblers who once tried to convince America that Bill and Hillary Clinton were murderers and drug smugglers.
  
  
  Meanwhile, Ms. Kerry herself is hardly exempt from the angry fantasies emanating from Mr. Scaife's strange universe. Last spring, a Scaife-funded "research group" sent out a study that accused her of covertly financing violent radicals of various kinds, including Islamists, through the straitlaced Heinz foundations that she controls. There was absolutely no basis for that tale -- as the right-wing sleuths could have learned by making a single phone call. The Heinz money they had "traced" through a San Francisco group had actually gone in its entirety to support anti-pollution projects in Pennsylvania.
  
  
  Those are only a few brief examples among dozens. The Scaife disinformation conglomerate has churned out nastiness about Ms. Heinz Kerry by the carload for years, and finally she talked back. The guy she scorched last Sunday was meant to take that message back to his boss in Pittsburgh -- a man who has deserved the brunt of such refreshing candor for a long, long time.

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Quick question. given what Ty has been citing as credible sources of "news," I'm wondering if i could cite vintage Fluffy posts as contra evidence and still maintain my credibility?