Keeping it civil instead of returning to our dark ways

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
If the question was "Who had that Lucwarm sock and why did he keep pushing housing in South Amboy, NJ" - then yes, you've answered it.

Slaveypoo, I think the meds have worn off.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Slaveypoo, I think the meds have worn off.

I thought it was funny.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by baltassoc
I thought it was funny.

I might have, but I have no idea what he's saying.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by taxwonk
I wouldn't know. I've never lived in a place with no Black people.

The question went to your peers Wonk. I don't think it fair for you to count the help.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
The question went to your peers Wonk. I don't think it fair for you to count the help.

If Wonk has help, why does he buy me such shitty whiskey?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
If Wonk has help, why does he buy me such shitty whiskey?

Because you always show up drunk and keep filling your glass from your hip flask, lush.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
As the 9th Circuit is constantly being overruled, would California count?

You always do this... Sidd made a pretty good point when he said that under your preferred system, we'd live in a country with no court system. What say you in reply? I mean, he does make a damn good point. If the Courts weren't there to act as a check on idiot legislators, then who would?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Lets discuss it over dinner. You come by my place. My wife and I will start us off with some pina coladas, then we'll have fettuccini alfredo and we'll have a heavenly white chocolate mousse for dessrt. Sound like a plan?

We can then retire to the sitting room for cigars and white russians.

Funny, I took you for a wiskey man

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You always do this... Sidd made a pretty good point when he said that under your preferred system, we'd live in a country with no court system. What say you in reply? I mean, he does make a damn good point. If the Courts weren't there to act as a check on idiot legislators, then who would?

I've been following this conversation for pages now, and the one thing I can't figure out is why were you guys are equating desegration with abortion rights. You seem to believe that, like segregation, the pro-life folks are just objectively wrong, without considering that there may be something to the protecting life argument. In other words, the comparison is certainly not perfect, and this is not JUST a question of civil rights. That is why the federalism side of the argument is very attractive to many . . . because, unlike segregation, we just don't know enough to know who is right on this issue.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by baltassoc
It's too bad you can't compare the two. Because you went to one, and not both, you focus only on what was wrong with your school, without the benefit of seeing how much worse it could have been.

I never said there was anything wrong with my school. Why would you say that?

My main point is that court ordered bussing caused white flight from the cities and that was bad for blacks and that blacks were more harmed by that than helped by the court ordered bussing.

Originally posted by baltassoc
That's exactly what I'm saying. Racists aren't born, they're made. I might have made it out the same, but I'm betting not.

I don't agree that court ordered bussing made people less racist. And I feel sorry for you if going to a segregated school would have turned you into a racist.

I know many people from areas where there aren't many blacks around and their schools are segregated simply because blacks don't live where they live in any large number. Like Maine. But those people aren't racists.

Originally posted by baltassoc
No, it doesn't.

You're wrong.

Originally posted by baltassoc
It really only serves as a critique of the method of deployment.

That is in fact all I was critiquing - the method of deployment. You and Sidd need to learn to read.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I've been following this conversation for pages now, and the one thing I can't figure out is why were you guys are equating desegration with abortion rights. You seem to believe that, like segregation, the pro-life folks are just objectively wrong, without considering that there may be something to the protecting life argument. In other words, the comparison is certainly not perfect, and this is not JUST a question of civil rights. That is why the federalism side of the argument is very attractive to many . . . because, unlike segregation, we just don't know enough to know who is right on this issue.

I'm not equating desegregation with abortion rights, and I never have (well, maybe that one time, but I was trying to nail a pro-choice activist. Even Slave would have gone my way on that).

I think that they are qualitatively different issues.

I was responding to Hello's diatribe on how courts have never actually done anything to benefit American society.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Not Me
That is in fact all I was critiquing - the method of deployment. You and Sidd need to learn to read.

If it's my fault, why did you feel compelled to edit your post to add this:

eta - I reread my previous post and I see where the confusion is. I meant desegregation of schools by court ordered bussing but wasn't clear. I don't think that on balance court ordered bussing was helpful to blacks.

The thing that has been the most helpful to blacks were laws that would penalize employers who discriminated and other laws like the fair housing laws.




And as for "agreeing" with Balt's "method of deployment" comment, you should read the whole thing. Are you saying you'd support more bussing of white people? That the USSC should have intervened to that level of detail? That would be .... surprising.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Not Me

I know many people from areas where there aren't many blacks around and their schools are segregated simply because blacks don't live where they live in any large number. Like Maine. But those people aren't racists.

Have you ever been to Maine? Because you're full of shit.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Funny, I took you for a wiskey man

Do you have a recipe for manufacturing whiskey from semen?

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by taxwonk
I wouldn't know. I've never lived in a place with no Black people. Even when I lived in Lake Forest the Blacks outnumbered the Jews. Sorry if I'm using facts to mess with your little theory again.

Got a handy reference to the racial makeup of New Trier? You do that and I'll look for the racial makeup of Cook County. Deal? This should be a fun comparison!