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Old 03-08-2005, 02:25 PM   #4381
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Mission Accomplished?
Taliban out of Aghanistan? Check.
Elections in Afghanistan? Check.
Saddam gone? Check.
Elections in Iraq? Check.
Seeming mass movements in nearby non-democracies pushing for democracy? Check.
Syria moving out of Lebanon? Check.
Huge progress in Israel/Palestine talks? Check.

Is it all one mission, such that there can never be a successful end? Or, were all of these properly termed "missions"?
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Old 03-08-2005, 02:28 PM   #4382
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David Brooks sings his praises today in the op-ed pages of Pravda
One of the noteworthy things about Pravda was all the opposing views they ran. Like FOX News, say.

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  • His faith in people probably led to some of the mistakes in Iraq. But with change burbling in Beirut, with many young people proudly hoisting the Lebanese flag (in a country that was once a symbol of tribal factionalism), it's time to take a look at this guy again.
It's nice that conservatives have gotten to the point where they can acknowledge "the mistakes in Iraq." But you've got to regret Brooks' timing with this Lebanon thing on a day when Hezbollah turned out hundreds of thousands of Shiites in Lebanon to rally for "respect" for Syria. Are we going to see the same sorts of pictures of that rally, too? Maybe the Shiites just aren't as, um, photogenic.
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Old 03-08-2005, 02:30 PM   #4383
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But you've got to regret Brooks' timing with this Lebanon thing on a day when Hezbollah turned out hundreds of thousands of Shiites in Lebanon to rally for "respect" for Syria. Are we going to see the same sorts of pictures of that rally, too?
All those Hezbollah killers standing in the same place?

Boy, do I have an idea . . .
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Old 03-08-2005, 02:35 PM   #4384
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Taliban out of Aghanistan? Check.
Um, wrong. Out of Kabul, yes. But they're still there. "A surge in Taliban attacks is expected again this spring as the country emerges from a particularly harsh winter." That's from a story from this morning.

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Seeming mass movements in nearby non-democracies pushing for democracy? Check.
What countries are you talking about?

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Syria moving out of Lebanon? Check.
Um, wrong.

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Huge progress in Israel/Palestine talks? Check.
What was Bush's line about the bigotry of low expectations? "Huge progress"?
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Old 03-08-2005, 02:37 PM   #4385
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All those Hezbollah killers standing in the same place?

Boy, do I have an idea . . .
Who said they were all killers? Hezbollah is the political movement that speaks for most of Lebanon's Shiites.
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Old 03-08-2005, 02:42 PM   #4386
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Is it all one mission, such that there can never be a successful end? Or, were all of these properly termed "missions"?
Beyond Ty's comments above, unless CIA operatives snuck into Arafat's Paris hospital room with a pillow, handgun and silencer, I think that with at least some of these missions you're looking at some mild post hoc ergo propter hoc problems.

But, as history looks back on the War to End Iraqi Genocide and Further Middle East Freedoms (and, incidentally, Some Other Stuff that Seemed Important at the Time But We're Not Really Gonna Worry About Anymore), I'm sure that the gods will smile.
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Um, wrong. Out of Kabul, yes. But they're still there. "A surge in Taliban attacks is expected again this spring as the country emerges from a particularly harsh winter." That's from a story from this morning.



What countries are you talking about?



Um, wrong.



What was Bush's line about the bigotry of low expectations? "Huge progress"?




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One of the noteworthy things about Pravda was all the opposing views they ran. Like FOX News, say.
QED. Susan Estrich was spewing on Fox the other night.

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It's nice that conservatives have gotten to the point where they can acknowledge "the mistakes in Iraq." But you've got to regret Brooks' timing with this Lebanon thing on a day when Hezbollah turned out hundreds of thousands of Shiites in Lebanon to rally for "respect" for Syria. Are we going to see the same sorts of pictures of that rally, too? Maybe the Shiites just aren't as, um, photogenic.

Reminds me of the last time a Hundred Thousand or so chose to march against freedom.
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What countries are you talking about?
Morocco? Egypt? There's a round-up listed here
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Who said they were all killers?
Smart nukes?
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Old 03-08-2005, 02:55 PM   #4392
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Morocco? Egypt? There's a round-up listed here
"Dozens of supporters of a banned Egyptian party demonstrated yesterday in Cairo...."

If that's a mass movement, so was Gary Coleman's gubernatorial campaign.
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Morocco? Egypt? There's a round-up listed here
It's great to see what the Iraq war is doing for Bolivia.
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It's great to see what the Iraq war is doing for Bolivia.
It's even greater to watch you lefties bemoan and belittle all of the democratic progress currently occurring in the world.
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It's great to see what the Iraq war is doing for Bolivia.
Salk did nothing for diabetics. Nothing!

Worthless fucker.
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