Politics: J'accuse!

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Not Me
Now whose the Evil Idiot?

Checking . . . . Nope, it's still you. I previously renounced any obligation to comply with Godwin's Law, because it's essentially discriminatory. The Left is forced to eat its reductio ad absurdem, while the Right protected from it because its corresponding reductio is Nazism? Hell, no.

Besides, Bilmore and Mystery Guest said Saddam was worse than Hitler, and they were allowed to lose that argument fair and square, on the merits, not because of some Godwin's Law forfeiture.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I don't have time to google today, but if it makes you happy I'll submit that I may have been wrong and it may only have been those members of the intelligence committees. Not sure how it changes the point though. There many DEMS on those committees, including Kerry, that (1) saw the info and (2) voted for the war.

You think the administration went showed those members everything. I don't think that's true. Graham (and Kerry) may have "seen the info" but they were seeing the NIE, etc., not the underlying intel. I would wager that they did not tell Graham what Franks told Bush. And if they did, they classified it so that he couldn't tell others.

I've read the version of the NIE that was released. It contains the positive evidence and the negative evidence. Is the positive evidence highlighted more than the negative? Yes, because the intelligence community consensus was that, on balance, it was more likely that the positive view was correct. The alternative view is in the document for these guys to read.

Graham disagrees with you, and he should know. As I recall, you have to read the footnotes pretty carefully. But none of this has to do with my point, as I keep saying.

As to the Frank's comment, you are reaching a serious conclusion (Bush Lied) based on a jounalist's non-contemporaneous record of events. There are all sorts of things that could effect the veracity of the statements. This is not to say that it is not true, but Woodward has a record of shading a story towards those that will actually talk to him at the expense of those that do not. Rumsfield comes to mind in the first Woodward book on this administration.

Go back to my 1., 2., 3., 4., and tell me which alternative is more likely, or which one I'm missing. Franks clearly cooperated with Woodward a great deal -- I say this because the book is chock full of what Franks did to plan the war -- and he did this at the President's direction. Bush wanted people to cooperate with Woodward. But what does Woodward's "shading" have to do with anything. Bush talked to him, too.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Not Me
Now whose the Evil Idiot?

"whose the Evil Idiot?" I have a guess. dtb? fringey? a little help here.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Checking . . . . Nope, it's still you. I previously renounced any obligation to comply with Godwin's Law, because it's essentially discriminatory. The Left is forced to eat its reductio ad absurdem, while the Right protected from it because its corresponding reductio is Nazism? Hell, no.

Besides, Bilmore and Mystery Guest said Saddam was worse than Hitler, and they were allowed to lose that argument fair and square, on the merits, not because of some Godwin's Law forfeiture.

15. So Sorry, My Island Now
gs: Vito Scotti (Japanese soldier)

The Castaways are captured by a Japanese sailor who thinks that WWII never ended. When the other castaways are captured, it is up to Gilligan to save them.


b: 09-Jan-1965 w: David P. Harmon

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I'd say we really can't win, but can only manage for the next 10 years.

Nice. So the next two and half presidents will be War Presidents. Maybe we should just suspend habeas corpus and be done with it.

Seriously, less than half of a half of a half of a percentage point of the world has sworn us eternal enmity, and this means we're forever At War? Is the president going to at least go back and request renewed Declarations from Congress, or will we be carried forever on the resolution on 9/12/2001? Will the Solicitor General be making arguments about the Supremacy of the executive branch (I shit you not) during wartime in the Supreme Court's 2012 docket?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
"whose the Evil Idiot?" I have a guess. dtb? fringey? a little help here.

If an Evil Idiot were mine, I would get rid of it. I don't own such things.

[The Larry Davis Experience]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
15. So Sorry, My Island Now
gs: Vito Scotti (Japanese soldier)

The Castaways are captured by a Japanese sailor who thinks that WWII never ended. When the other castaways are captured, it is up to Gilligan to save them.


b: 09-Jan-1965 w: David P. Harmon

The Japanese soldier's name IRL was Vito?

[dtb]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
If an Evil Idiot were mine, I would get rid of it. I don't own such things.

Word. I try to dispose of Evil Idiots when I find them lying about my office. I wouldn't want anyone to think they were mine!

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by The Larry Davis Experience
The Japanese soldier's name IRL was Vito?

Why you wanna deny a brother the role Larry?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by dtb
Word. I try to dispose of Evil Idiots when I find them lying about my office. I wouldn't want anyone to think they were mine!

Why would they lie about your office? What are you hiding? WMDs?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Why would they lie about your office? What are you hiding? WMDs?

You are so smart to have seen that she must be a terrorist. Clearly, we have enough on this "dtb" to strip her naked, strap a dog collar on her, and make her simulate performing lewd acts on a total stranger while we film it.

[The Larry Davis Experience]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Why you wanna deny a brother the role Larry?

Far from it. I'm saying that he must have been a hell of an actor.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
You are so smart to have seen that she must be a terrorist. Clearly, we have enough on this "dtb" to strip her naked, strap a dog collar on her, and make her simulate performing lewd acts on a total stranger while we film it.

Hey, this Right Wing shit is fun! Thank God for family values.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
15. So Sorry, My Island Now
gs: Vito Scotti (Japanese soldier)

The Castaways are captured by a Japanese sailor who thinks that WWII never ended. When the other castaways are captured, it is up to Gilligan to save them.


b: 09-Jan-1965 w: David P. Harmon

Wait a minute!

I am Gilligan (President Gilligan to you). No diluting my brand name here.

[SlaveNoMore]

Originally posted by sgtclub
If you could guarantee me that we will win the war on terror and not lose more lives in the process without some unseemly tactics, I'll happily come over to your side.

[tractor beam]Club, its just a trick to get you pay higher taxes. Come back [/tractor beam]