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[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Do they lie in the releases?

Good point. I allowed my inner plaintiff lawyer to speak for a second, and was wrong. The releases may be artfully and carefully drafted, but they themselves do not lie. http://www.slate.com/id/2151990/

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
As to your first paragraph, don't you kinda wish MM had thought of that?

I don't think that they even let people from Flint into Grosse Point. Hank?

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Right. Borat and Roger & Me are exactly alike. (This one's for you, TM)--------> I just *loved* that part where Mike hands Roger a bag of his crap at the dinner party in Grosse Point.

If the producers of Borat are so desirous of getting reality, why do they lie in the releases?

Mean People Suck!

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
Mean People Suck!

The rear window of my Volvo wagon has that bumper sticker (between the one that says "You Can't Hug A Child With Nuclear Arms" and the one that says "If You Want Peace, Work For Justice").

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Not Bob
I don't think that they even let people from Flint into Grosse Point. Hank?

Time has passed Grosse Pointe by. People like Coltrane live there now.

Bloomfield Hills is it now.

I had a client lunch at the Bloomfield Open Hunt Club a while back. i don't know what the "open" means because it is decidely not public.

Anyway, I pulled into a parking lot, and was suprised to see "Proud Parent of an Honor Student at Roseville HS." I was SHOCKED because Roseville is the lower class burb where I was raised, and it is 20 miles away from Bloomfield. It didn't really make sense that people from Roseville would be Hunt clubbing. It took me about 2 minutes to realize I had pulled into the staff lot.

So, point is, Flint people can probably come into GP. They just have to be wearing a uniform.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Fugee
I'm a bit troubled by the deception involved in saying one thing about how and where the footage will be used but giving a broad release and counting on people to accept your word rather than what the release says (or more likely counting on them not reading the release at all).

What about fans in sports arenas? They're made to look like asses on camera all the time. And what of Steve Bartman? Did he give his permission to be made to look like an ass for all time (at least in Chicago)?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Not Bob
The rear window of my Volvo wagon has that bumper sticker (between the one that says "You Can't Hug A Child With Nuclear Arms" and the one that says "If You Want Peace, Work For Justice").

someone changed my "Free Mumia!" bumper sticker, to "Fry Mumia!" i think it might have been Penske.

[LessinSF]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Good point. I allowed my inner plaintiff lawyer to speak for a second, and was wrong. The releases may be artfully and carefully drafted, but they themselves do not lie. http://www.slate.com/id/2151990/

"documentary-style" and marketed to young adults with entertaining content? Hope that $200 was used well.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Not Bob
The releases that I have seen were deliberately misleading. For the right client (i.e., one whose alleged damages are not based upon the fact that one revealed oneself to be a racist idiot on camera), I suspect that the releases won't hold enough water to get SBC and Fox a dismissal or summary judgment.

Ah. I see. And somehow the ability to withstand summary judgment has suddenly become the same as a claim with merit?

And I don't understand how the two racists idiots' claim will be any different from anyone else's who signed the waiver (which I haven't seen and would love to see copies of -- send 'em on). At least they were kind of drunk. Why would any other claim survive summary judgment if they weren't drunk? Did they use different waivers for different people based on how stupid or drunk they were?

Originally posted by Not Bob
And (based upon the USA Today article) it may be that bathroom guy didn't sign one.

It may be. But that scene wasn't used in the movie. And they probably didn't use it because they didn't have signed waivers. Either way, I'm sure they didn't film the guy's cock.

Originally posted by Not Bob
I resent the fact that a film studio can do things that would get normal people arrested. Take a film crew with you into the bathroom at the 21 Club, walk into the stall as a guy is trying to take a leak, film him, and see how amused the NYPD is about it.

This makes less than no sense. It has nothing to do with the studio. The guy didn't know the camera was in there because it was hidden. If I were to do what they did, the camera would be hidden as well. Either way, the cops would probably arrest whoever was involved.

Originally posted by Not Bob
You want to make a movie that makes people laugh at this kind of stuff? Hire actors! They act. They get paid to act. A good one can even make you believe that they are regular people. Why is this not the solution?

Well, then waht you're really saying is, "You can't make a movie with this kind of stuff." Because the whole point is to not use actors. The whole genre is based on placing a character in real situations. Don't pretend like the two things are synonymous or even similar. The fact that these people aren't actors is the whole point. And the fact that real people were involved speaks directly to my point about him exposing anti-semitism.

TM

[pony_trekker]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
What about fans in sports arenas? They're made to look like asses on camera all the time. And what of Steve Bartman? Did he give his permission to be made to look like an ass for all time (at least in Chicago)?

I think your ticket says "I may be photographed."

As far as Dateline, they are reporting news, not making an entertainment show. So if you are news, as these perverts are, they can put you on w/o a release.

Or so they'll argue.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Right. Borat and Roger & Me are exactly alike. (This one's for you, TM)--------> I just *loved* that part where Mike hands Roger a bag of his crap at the dinner party in Grosse Point.

This is exactly what I was talking about. Either go see the movie or stop fucking talking about the one scene that you seem to think characterizes the whole film. If you want to ignore the message that he was slipping in between childish jokes (to an audience who wouldn't ordinarily listen to this type of message), then at least go see the movie and actively ignore it.

TM

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by Not Bob
The rear window of my Volvo wagon has that bumper sticker (between the one that says "You Can't Hug A Child With Nuclear Arms" and the one that says "If You Want Peace, Work For Justice").

No "Visualize Whirled Peas"?

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
someone changed my "Free Mumia!" bumper sticker, to "Fry Mumia!" i think it might have been Penske.

Weird. Someone put a bumper sticker on my car next to my "Free Mumia" sticker that said "Mandela Half Off." PEEEEEENSKEEEEEE!

[SlaveNoMore]

Shape Shifter
Michael Moore could have hired an actor to play Roger Smith in Roger & Me. Come to think of it, he could have hired actors to play the people getting evicted from their home. Or he could have hired an actor to play the little old lady on the golf course who said that the unemployed in Flint just needed to go out and get jobs. I'm not sure the impact would have been the same, though.

Michael Moore could have also hired a director, and then maybe his films would be watchable.

Just sayin'.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
This makes less than no sense. It has nothing to do with the studio. The guy didn't know the camera was in there because it was hidden. If I were to do what they did, the camera would be hidden as well. Either way, the cops would probably arrest whoever was involved.

Doh. The footage from Defamer didn't look like it was from a hidden camera, but it must have been -- uh, delete that "with a camera guy" thing.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
No "Visualize Whirled Peas"?

I am thinking about starting a club for über-smug divorcées. Would you like to join?