Politics: Where we struggle to kneel in the muck.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by taxwonk
My good man, if he could fuck Heidi Klum, what man wouldn't want to live to be 200? Even after she got old and decrepit and I couldn't get it up any more, I'd still want a number of years to carry around the picture and tell people I used to fuck her.

Who is Heidi Klum, anyway?

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
And when you're 48 and checking into the emergency room in the middle of your first heart attack, remember I told you this today:

When the admitting nurse asks for your religion you'll say "none"
then you'll pause, and then say "ummm, put down Catholic."

What is the downside to believing in God? If you believe and you are wrong, you're dead so you aren't aware you were wrong. And while you were alive, you had hope that you could enter the after life and see all your dead loved ones.

If you believe and you are right, you get to go to heaven. Faith in God = insurance policy.

Now allowing an organized religion to control your behavior, well, there is clearly a downside to that.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
I just followed your explanation as to why people bought in. (Paraphrasing follows): You said "fear". I said "fear of what". You said "fear of not having tomorrow what you have today"., and I say "what do they want tomorrow that they have today" and you say "Nothing. That's it. Game's up."

In any case, you just said Nothing. That's it. Game's up. If true, why do we need an escape valve from that?

He(and maaaaa, he's starting it with the ventriloquist act again)llo

How can I maake it more succinct. Your need to believe in a god is rooted in fear. You need a god and a heaven as an escape valve from the reality that you - in every form you can imagine yourself - are "over", "finished", "gone", etc... when you die. Man naturally doesn't like the idea of dying - of having himself "ended" so to say, so out of fear, he creates the notion of an interested higher being, and an afterlife. The afterlife is the fifth quarter, the fourth strike. You're changing the rule you can't accept.

All I'm telling you is that your belief is borne of fear. Take it however you like.

[Gattigap]

Whether this is what it means to be Right is something, I'm sure, the Party of One will weigh in on soon enough.

From Friedman:

• Conservatives profess to care deeply about the outcome in Iraq, but they sat silently for the last year as the situation there steadily deteriorated. Then they participated in a shameful effort to refocus the country's attention on what John Kerry did on the rivers of Vietnam 30 years ago, not on what George Bush and his team are doing on the rivers of Babylon today, where some 140,000 American lives are on the line. Is this what it means to be a conservative today?
  
  Had conservatives spoken up loudly a year ago and said what both of Mr. Bush's senior Iraq envoys, Jay Garner and Paul Bremer, have now said (and what many of us who believed in the importance of Iraq were saying) - that we never had enough troops to control Iraq's borders, keep the terrorists out, prevent looting and establish authority - the president might have changed course. Instead, they served as a Greek chorus, applauding Mr. Bush's missteps and mocking anyone who challenged them.
  
  Conservatives have failed their own test of patriotism. In the end, it has been more important for them to defeat liberals than to get Iraq right. Had Democrats been running this war with the incompetence of Donald Rumsfeld & Friends, conservatives would have demanded their heads a year ago - and gotten them.

Yup.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
How can I maake it more succinct. Your need to believe in a god is rooted in fear. You need a god and a heaven as an escape valve from the reality that you - in every form you can imagine yourself - are "over", "finished", "gone", etc... when you die. Man naturally doesn't like the idea of dying - of having himself "ended" so to say, so out of fear, he creates the notion of an interested higher being, and an afterlife. The afterlife is the fifth quarter, the fourth strike. You're changing the rule you can't accept.

All I'm telling you is that your belief is borne of fear. Take it however you like.

Yeah, that explains the beginning of your logic, but not your end. How do you or any other human come to the conclusion of Nothing, That's It, Game's Over? Further, once you do, do you not feel things like fear, guilt, regret, anxiety, doubt, or any of the other numerous human emotions that seem inherent in a normal human? If so, why would you feel guilty or regretful or anxiety or fearful or doubtful (in cases where this question is relevant). What explains these emotions to someone who believes in nothing, that's it, game over? What would cause such fear, guilt, regret, anxiety and doubt in someone who truly does not believe in consequences?

Don't get me wrong, I believe in rational behavior, and I see the same fear as being a motivation for a lot of human behavior. It seems impossible to rationalize away a morality-based emotion system entirely.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Whether this is what it means to be Right is something, I'm sure, the Party of One will weigh in on soon enough.

Scroll back a few thousand pages. The Party of One, i.e., the real Right, was calling for Rummy's head, criticizing the entire conduct of our armchair Napolean, and arguing there were not enough troops and equipment to do the job the way the Military professionals said it needed to be done. I've been consistent ever since. Hence, it seems that your Friedman fellow agrees with me that those you call "conservative" are not "conservative". Conservative would be me.

On another note, the NYT or maybe the Washington Post or LA Times, I forget, has a very interesting article today about the disbanding of the Iraqi military, and they seem to lay it squarely on Bremer's shoulders (which surprised me a little bit). Not enough troops to secure the borders? This guy scotched Plan B by disbanding the Iraqi military when our military figured we could leverage them into securing their borders and cities in an orderly fashion. Not exactly the guy I need to see commenting on the lack of manpower, when the manpower that does exist would strangle him on sight if they saw him in a dark alley.

Hello

[SlaveNoMore]

sebastian_dangerfield
How can I maake it more succinct. Your need to believe in a god is rooted in fear. You need a god and a heaven as an escape valve from the reality that you - in every form you can imagine yourself - are "over", "finished", "gone", etc... when you die. Man naturally doesn't like the idea of dying - of having himself "ended" so to say, so out of fear, he creates the notion of an interested higher being, and an afterlife. The afterlife is the fifth quarter, the fourth strike. You're changing the rule you can't accept.

All I'm telling you is that your belief is borne of fear. Take it however you like.

If last night wasn't all the proof you need to demonstrate there is no god, then I don't know what to tell you.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
If last night wasn't all the proof you need to demonstrate there is no god, then I don't know what to tell you.

God was pissed at New York for hosting the RNC. In contrast, His Favor was lavished on the city that hosted the DNC.

Conclusion? John Kerry = God's choice!

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
can I maake it

It's this simple; if you want us to grant you some gravitas you really must eliminate the typos. The typos show even you don't truly believe your thesis. Without correction, you'll soon be nothing more than dtb with a drinking problem. No offense.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
God was pissed at New York for hosting the RNC. In contrast, His Favor was lavished on the city that hosted the DNC.

Conclusion? John Kerry = God's choice!

Even though you are wrong, I still give this POTD.

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Who is Heidi Klum, anyway?

You're kidding, right?



sorry, my bad. Wrong board. I'll take these down if you guys want me to. Just ask.

[SlaveNoMore]

NotFromHere

You should make this your new avatar.

Hell, I may make it my wallpaper.

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
You should make this your new avatar.

Hell, I may make it my wallpaper.

Done. I no longer have any connections to Sunny.

[SlaveNoMore]

NotFromHere
Done. I no longer have any connections to Sunny.

Another Curse lifted!!!!

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
jesus fringey, what the fuck do you want from me?

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