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04-20-2007, 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter [list]One bit of good news for Gonzales came late in the day, when Specter, the committee's ranking Republican, announced that he will refrain from publicly asking Gonzales to resign.
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Did he announce this publicly? Because that's pretty funny.
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04-20-2007, 02:00 PM
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#4457
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
gore was tricked, not me.
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How so?
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04-20-2007, 02:01 PM
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#4458
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Moderasaurus Rex
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
i thought you didn't read all that stuff?
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I don't read DU or Kos. I do read some blogs that lean left.
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04-20-2007, 02:03 PM
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This is interesting, I think:
- With the presidential contest well underway, the 2008 political profiles of our two parties, which alter a bit during each four-year cycle, are already taking shape. The Democrats have turned to a new version of their favorite sport, intraparty class warfare. . . .
For the Democrats, the contest is settling into a pattern set four decades ago: primary-season class conflict, in which one candidate appeals to a younger and more upscale electorate by talking about political reform and other chiefly noneconomic concerns, while another emphasizes pocketbook issues to the party's working-class voters. In primaries past, the upscale-reformer role has been embraced by Eugene McCarthy, Morris Udall, Gary Hart, Paul Tsongas, Bill Bradley and Howard Dean, while the part of the more populist bread-and-butter battler has been played by Hubert Humphrey, Walter Mondale, Richard Gephardt and John Edwards, among others. This year's upscale reformer, as Ronald Brownstein keenly noted in his Los Angeles Times column last month, is Barack Obama.
So far, Obama is observing all the upscale conventions. Unlike Edwards, Obama is not campaigning against financiers who profit from outsourcing American jobs or drug companies that drive the price of medications to unregulated heights. Rather, he campaigns against the compromises, the shallowness, the corruptions inherent in our political and legislative processes. To create universal health coverage, Edwards prescribes taxing the rich, while Obama prescribes an open discussion, free from the taint of campaign contributions, that ultimately may lead us to embrace Edwards's prescription -- or not.
A Los Angeles Times-Bloomberg survey from last week showed Obama outpolling not just Edwards but also Hillary Clinton in higher-income groups. Clinton, however, is beating Obama two-to-one among working-class voters. Though she's nobody's populist, Clinton is certainly waging a less ethereal campaign than Obama. And while Clinton has encountered hostile responses from activists for her position on the war, Obama, while getting rapturous receptions from younger audiences, has been bombing before such working-class confabs as the service workers' health-care forum in Nevada and the International Association of Firefighters conference in Washington. He's been short not just on specifics but also on pugnacity.
Harold Meyerson in the WaPo
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04-20-2007, 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
How so?
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- GORE: Well, of course, and that, again
Translation: I believe it would still have happened if I were President.
- -- no, I think that that was ill-considered.
Translation: I just remembered, we inherited it.
- I did support it at the time.
Translation: My lips move w/o tie to my brain.
- It was in the previous administration, in the Bush-Quayle administration, and I think in retrospect the lessons there are ones that we -- that we should take very, very seriously.
Translation: Spin back in place.
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04-20-2007, 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski - GORE: Well, of course, and that, again
Translation: I believe it would still have happened if I were President.
- -- no, I think that that was ill-considered.
Translation: I just remembered, we inherited it.
- I did support it at the time.
Translation: My lips move w/o tie to my brain.
- It was in the previous administration, in the Bush-Quayle administration, and I think in retrospect the lessons there are ones that we -- that we should take very, very seriously.
Translation: Spin back in place.
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He correctly points out that Bush I sent the troops there. He then says that he supported this, and that it was a mistake. All of which sounds right to me. So what's the problem?
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04-20-2007, 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
He correctly points out that Bush I sent the troops there. He then says that he supported this, and that it was a mistake. All of which sounds right to me. So what's the problem?
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at first he was all for it, then he remembered he inherited it.
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04-20-2007, 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
at first he was all for it, then he remembered he inherited it.
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“The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa .”
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04-20-2007, 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
“The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa .”
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what did Gore say about Saddam?
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04-20-2007, 02:19 PM
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Shall I project a world?
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
at first he was all for it, then he remembered he inherited it.
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At times like this I am reminded of Emboroidering the Earth's Mantle by the Mexican painter Remedios Varo.
![](http://www.fantasyarts.net/Varo/Remedios_Varo_embroidering_earths_mantle.jpg)
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04-20-2007, 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
what did Gore say about Saddam?
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''I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency."
Oops, that wasn't Gore, that was Cheney, two years ago.
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04-20-2007, 02:24 PM
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Shall I project a world?
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
At times like this I am reminded of Emboroidering the Earth's Mantle by the Mexican painter Remedios Varo.
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...658203&sc=emaf Funny story (to listen to, not the short summary) about Beijing and cleaning up for the Olympics. I just ordered tix.
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04-20-2007, 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
''I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency."
Oops, that wasn't Gore, that was Cheney, two years ago.
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Does Ty bug you?
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04-20-2007, 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
We should have followed the clinton doctrine?
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Fucking asshole.
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04-20-2007, 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Fucking asshole.
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is this translated correct?
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