Nutjobs Ranting About Politics.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
You are missing the point. He should not go because he got faked out. He should go because he won't admit that the docs are fakes in light when nearly every expert in the world has concluded that they are.

What does that say for the conservatives who won't admit that Iraq is fucked up? Oops, that would be you.

[viet_mom]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch

The way to every President's heart is through his belly.


Did I win?

[Apropos of Nothing]

Originally posted by sgtclub
You are missing the point. He should not go because he got faked out. He should go because he won't admit that the docs are fakes in light when nearly every expert in the world has concluded that they are.

Right. Because all those people in the Administration Ty mentioned who were faked out have admitted that they were, well, faked out and were therefore wrong.

ETA: Yes, I know, this is a "scroll then post" violation. But my re line is kinda funny, so that's a mitigating factor, right?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I am amused by all of the righty wingnuts (sebby not included in this category) who are calling for the defenestration of Rather for getting gulled by fake memos but who have no problem with the fact that Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith and the rest of the crowd that fucked up Iraq still have their jobs. Accountability only applies to the press.

I think the gelding calls are based, not on being suckered by a fake, but on being so openly and aggressively partisan that he is willing to suspend normal good journalistic practices to try and sway voters with what he knows is crap but that he presents as reliable. Look at his continued defense - that's not a sign of continuing good-faith belief in the provenance of the docs, but a continuing willingness to push his ideology to the exclusion of all other considerations.

I want his balls, not for negligence, but for an intentional act.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
What does that say for the conservatives who won't admit that Iraq is fucked up? Oops, that would be you.

You're approaching the Rather universe if you are still clinging to the Wilson Chronicles.

[viet_mom]

Originally posted by viet_mom
The way to every President's heart is through his belly.


Did I win?

Dear Self,

Please read prior contest submissions before submitting yours and stay the hell off this board if you can't keep up.

Thanks.

Self

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bilmore
I think the gelding calls are based, not on being suckered by a fake, but on being so openly and aggressively partisan that he is willing to suspend normal good journalistic practices to try and sway voters with what he knows is crap but that he presents as reliable. Look at his continued defense - that's not a sign of continuing good-faith belief in the provenance of the docs, but a continuing willingness to push his ideology to the exclusion of all other considerations.

I want his balls, not for negligence, but for an intentional act.

He thinks the story is larger than those two documents -- after all, they got GOP-leaning witnesses to say that the contents of the forged documents matched what they knew -- but and you and your conservative pals are doing your utmost to change the focus from the larger story, which makes the President look bad, to the narrow question of the provenance of the two documents. There's an element of truth to each position.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bilmore
You're approaching the Rather universe if you are still clinging to the Wilson Chronicles.

Pretending that this has anything to do with Wilson is a way to make clear that you are actively trying to confuse things, rather than merely confused yourself. Read the CSIS report, mentioned in club's article of yesterday and the executive summary of which I quoted at length. Things are bad and not headed in the right direction.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by sgtclub
You are missing the point. He should not go because he got faked out. He should go because he won't admit that the docs are fakes in light when nearly every expert in the world has concluded that they are.

Who watches the CBS evening news, anyway? It's just so many trees falling in the forest.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
What does that say for the conservatives who won't admit that Iraq is fucked up? Oops, that would be you.

Huh?

Do I think Iraq is going well? No, I don't.

Do I think we have been moderately sucessful, given that we have only been in their for 15 months. Yes.

Do I think there have been some serious fuck ups along the way? Absolutely, even more than can be reasonably expected in an endeavor like this.

Is there still a whole lot of work to do? Yes.

Is success guaranteed? No.

Do I think Iraq will be viewed as a success 10 years from now? Probably.

Will it be an American style democracy? NFW.

Will it be a better place for the Iraqis than it was before our invasion? Yes

Will it have an effect on the ME as a whole, and thus our security? Yes

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by viet_mom
Dear Self,

Please read prior contest submissions before submitting yours and stay the hell off this board if you can't keep up.

Thanks.

Self

Yours was awful cute, though. Presentation is everything.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Pretending that this has anything to do with Wilson is a way to make clear that you are actively trying to confuse things, rather than merely confused yourself. Read the CSIS report, mentioned in club's article of yesterday and the executive summary of which I quoted at length. Things are bad and not headed in the right direction.

Sorry, I misinterpreted what you were speaking of - I thought we were still on forgeries. I've read the CSIS report, as well as a number of their earlier ones on post-conflict transformations. There's a lot of "I told you so" in their current report, but, on the whole, I think they're accurate. No argument there.

(ETA) To clarify - no argument that things are currently a mess, but I will argue the "heading the wrong way" idea.

[Aloha Mr. Learned Hand]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
He thinks the story is larger than those two documents -- after all, they got GOP-leaning witnesses to say that the contents of the forged documents matched what they knew -- but and you and your conservative pals are doing your utmost to change the focus from the larger story, which makes the President look bad, to the narrow question of the provenance of the two documents. There's an element of truth to each position.

I heard they were standing on the fact that some of these people believed the memos, though fake, "reflected the thoughts" of the Killian guy. Reflected the thoughts?

Left unable to explain very likely forged documents and where they came from, an obvious attempt by somebody (right-wingers must have done it because no left-winger would ever do such a thing, heavens no......) to improperly and possibly criminally (forging government documents) influence a Presidential election, they are left with communing with the Dead? Did Kerry pick the "psychic" John Edward (of "Crossing Over" fame) as his running mate by mistake?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Pretending that this has anything to do with Wilson is a way to make clear that you are actively trying to confuse things, rather than merely confused yourself. Read the CSIS report, mentioned in club's article of yesterday and the executive summary of which I quoted at length. Things are bad and not headed in the right direction.

your article was based upon polls taken of the Iraqui people. This is a group who 2 years ago voted 100% for saddam for president. Do you think they might be wanting to mouth off a little?

the people in Saddam's favored towns are unhappy? no shit.
the people in the Sadr slum feel they have poor services? That didn't have crap before. can they at least celebrate their holidays now and have access to theirt shrines. Some other Iraquis are fucking stuff up, and that needs to be corrected. You still don't have an alternative Ty. What will John John do different?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
I heard they were standing on the fact that some of these people believed the memos, though fake, "reflected the thoughts" of the Killian guy. Reflected the thoughts?

Left unable to explain very likely forged documents and where they came from, an obvious attempt by somebody (right-wingers must have done it because no left-winger would ever do such a thing, heavens no......) to improperly and possibly criminally (forging government documents) influence a Presidential election, they are left with communing with the Dead? Did Kerry pick the "psychic" John Edward (of "Crossing Over" fame) as his running mate by mistake?

Worse yet, supposed lawyers here are arguing we should allow a Presidential election to be influenced by "evidence" that Ty knows he couldn't get into a slip and fall case.*

*not saying tY does these.