Objectively intelligent.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Perhaps your cloth mask is absorbing the water, but that doesn't necessarily mean (as a logical matter) that a mask that permits water vapor to pass through also will permit the virus to pass through. I mean, it could be that way, but that's the question.

Right

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Adder

Right

Not sure this is the best source, but it suggests that a mask that permits water vapor through will still stop the droplets with the virus.

[Icky Thump]

https://www.wxyz.com/news/coronaviru...arting-april-5

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

https://www.wxyz.com/news/coronaviru...arting-april-5

Over 50 is March 22. Hoping to get in before they open to 16.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ution-is-real/

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

My brother wears a gaiter when we visit, outside. Problem is, when it's cold, you can see his breath, meaning his droplets are getting through. I gotten use a better mask than that.

Luckily, he's signed up for his vaccine appointment, so a lot of this is going to stop mattering as much soon.

Meanwhile, "judicial system workers" - sometimes also referred to as "lawyers" too - are now eligible for a vaccine under the state's guidelines. I never go anywhere near a court and can entirely work from home, so I'm not out hunting down a pharmacy appointment and just signed up with the state and county for now. Tempting, though.

If gaters don’t work, I should have gotten it about 50x by now. It’s all I’ve worn (it’s actually a woman’s hair tie a female friend recommended I use).

Daily visits to market throughout entire pandemic, been in various courthouses regularly, outdoor gatherings, skiing, tennis, etc. Gater either works, or I’ve had the virus.

But I also don’t get close to people. I’ve observed the distance thing as much as possible.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

If gaters don’t work, I should have gotten it about 50x by now.

How do you know you haven't?

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

If gaters don’t work, I should have gotten it about 50x by now. It’s all I’ve worn (it’s actually a woman’s hair tie a female friend recommended I use).

Daily visits to market throughout entire pandemic, been in various courthouses regularly, outdoor gatherings, skiing, tennis, etc. Gater either works, or I’ve had the virus.

But I also don’t get close to people. I’ve observed the distance thing as much as possible.

Remember, everyone, Sebastian has NEVER BEEN WRONG about matters relating to COVID. There are actual studies about the efficacy of gaters (sic) in preventing the virus, but no need to read those now.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Remember, everyone, Sebastian has NEVER BEEN WRONG about matters relating to COVID. There are actual studies about the efficacy of gaters (sic) in preventing the virus, but no need to read those now.

Nothing is perfect except a fucking plastic bag over the head. Gaiters will reduce the chances of spreading or breathing as will surgical masks, as well N95s. The degree versus viral load are what counts.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html

As I've mentioned, gaiters outside when there aren't many people around, surgical mask outdoors when people are around but I've switched to N95 indoors all the time now.

Today I had the entire damn Rockfeller preserve all to myself but I'm glad I wore a gaiter it was so bloody cold.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Nothing is perfect except a fucking plastic bag over the head. Gaiters will reduce the chances of spreading or breathing as will surgical masks, as well N95s. The degree versus viral load are what counts.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html

As I've mentioned, gaiters outside when there aren't many people around, surgical mask outdoors when people are around but I've switched to N95 indoors all the time now.

Today I had the entire damn Rockfeller preserve all to myself but I'm glad I wore a gaiter it was so bloody cold.

Agreed. I follow a similar protocol as you. I wear gaiters all the time outside anyway just because it’s freezing here most of the year. I read that same CDC article you linked, and started to fold the gaiter over to create a double layer when I have to be close to people outside or need to pop inside for a minute. I need to up my indoor mask game — I just use a cloth mask for shopping, etc. My family is double masking, although the N95 alone seems to be sufficient.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Agreed. I follow a similar protocol as you. I wear gaiters all the time outside anyway just because it’s freezing here most of the year. I read that same CDC article you linked, and started to fold the gaiter over to create a double layer when I have to be close to people outside or need to pop inside for a minute. I need to up my indoor mask game — I just use a cloth mask for shopping, etc. My family is double masking, although the N95 alone seems to be sufficient.

My indoor (shopping) default is cloth over KN95, new since the easier-spreading variants. I haven't had to do so yet, but for longer indoor sessions or around higher risk people (e.g., health care setting), I'll use an N95, maybe with the clothe too.

But we're done to just me and my BIL among close family that hasn't either had a jab or have one scheduled, so things are looking up.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Agreed. I follow a similar protocol as you. I wear gaiters all the time outside anyway just because it’s freezing here most of the year. I read that same CDC article you linked, and started to fold the gaiter over to create a double layer when I have to be close to people outside or need to pop inside for a minute. I need to up my indoor mask game — I just use a cloth mask for shopping, etc. My family is double masking, although the N95 alone seems to be sufficient.

Are neck gaiters less effective because of the material? If the material is the same, I would think the gaiter would actually be more effective than a mask (since vapors can only escape from the top of the gaiter and not from all sides like a regular mask).

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

Are neck gaiters less effective because of the material? If the material is the same, I would think the gaiter would actually be more effective than a mask (since vapors can only escape from the top of the gaiter and not from all sides like a regular mask).

That is my understanding based on what I have read:

“The level of protection provided by a face covering appears to be substantially driven by the number and quality of layers of material and not whether it’s in the form of a gaiter or a mask,” Sharma said.

Sharma’s team modeled their research on a previous study by Duke University, which used a laser to measure respiratory droplets after different types of masks were worn while speaking. In that study, cotton masks with multiple layers reduced the spread better than bandanas and neck gaiters. The study was published in Science Advances in early August.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...ovid-19-spread

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

That is my understanding based on what I have read:

“The level of protection provided by a face covering appears to be substantially driven by the number and quality of layers of material and not whether it’s in the form of a gaiter or a mask,” Sharma said.

Sharma’s team modeled their research on a previous study by Duke University, which used a laser to measure respiratory droplets after different types of masks were worn while speaking. In that study, cotton masks with multiple layers reduced the spread better than bandanas and neck gaiters. The study was published in Science Advances in early August.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...ovid-19-spread

There you have it. Billion dollar idea. Neck gaiter made out of N95 material.

Of course, a gaiter has to be a little less restrictive for what I use because trying to run in an N95 is a little bit rough. Though I have run up the 8 floors to my office in one.