Waiting for Fitzgerald - Page 305

Hank Chinaski · 11-02-2005, 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
I don't think that the Guantanamo/overseas detention and torture stuff will necessarily stand on its own, but .......... will I think be in a lot of people's heads as a dark time in history, like Watergate or Vietnam or internment.

yes. the 30% that felt bush stole the election, that thought the war was wrong and was to get oil for Cheney.

everyone else realizes that it's shit that needs to happen- even if some of it shouldn't, in retrospect. it is a practical necessity.

What's funniest to me (and i am pro abortion rights) is that the libs bring up legal arguments to say we shouldn't torture terrorists when the torture could save lives- article 5 of the blah blah blah would be impacted- yet those same people argue that abortion is a practical necessity w/o ever admitting the legal support is shakier than anything Bush has rasied to justify detainee treatment.

dtb · 11-02-2005, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Cheeseburgers?

outside my home? yes. on occasion. I'll eat at a non-kosher restaurant.

Hank Chinaski · 11-02-2005, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Cheeseburgers?

Spicy Puerto Rican sausage?

dtb · 11-02-2005, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Spicy Puerto Rican sausage?

outside my home? yes. on occasion. I'll eat at a non-kosher restaurant.

sebastian_dangerfield · 11-02-2005, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by dtb
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Well, once again then, I'm proven factually inaccurate.

And thank you for bringing me to a new low. Generally, I'm wrong about things I know nothing about, but opine liberally on anyway. Being wrong on my own knowledge of people I know sets the bar that much lower...

But then, my life has been one long limbo up to this point, so I guess I shouldn't be shocked.

ltl/fb · 11-02-2005, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
yes. the 30% that felt bush stole the election, that thought the war was wrong and was to get oil for Cheney.

everyone else realizes that it's shit that needs to happen- even if some of it shouldn't, in retrospect. it is a practical necessity.

What's funniest to me (and i am pro abortion rights) is that the libs bring up legal arguments to say we shouldn't torture terrorists when the torture could save lives- article 5 of the blah blah blah would be impacted- yet those same people argue that abortion is a practical necessity w/o ever admitting the legal support is shakier than anything Bush has rasied to justify detainee treatment.

I'm talking about historical view looking back (in 20 or 30 years), not current view.

I understand why as a general matter this stuff cannot be public. I think the Senate Intelligence Committee should know what is going on with the camps etc. and have some oversight. It is not my impression that they do currently, but I am not positive. Have not yet finished the WaPo article that started this discussion; it probably would flesh out the oversight issues for me.

Hank Chinaski · 11-02-2005, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by dtb
outside my home? yes. on occasion. I'll eat at a non-kosher restaurant.

when i first meet my in-laws (food-wise non-observant), I was on aserious training diet and would not eat bacon (or pork). I had the pleaure of sitting at their home for breakfast, they having been told they can't make bacon because I don't eat it- and them hating me cuz I'm schot (dtb?). Next meal - kosher- honey baked corned beef. I get through the meal to coffee. "Hank, would you like cream?" Why, yes- but no thank you for that powder- I'm sorry I don't ingest. DO YOU HAVE MILK?" aaaaaarrrrghhhhh.
Hank fucking up again.

It's why I don't get bothered when dtb points out my typos. I'm used to Jesish women giving me constructive criticisms.

sgtclub · 11-02-2005, 01:53 PM

Black Democratic leaders in Maryland say that racially tinged attacks against Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele in his bid for the U.S. Senate are fair because he is a conservative Republican.

Such attacks against the first black man to win a statewide election in Maryland include pelting him with Oreo cookies during a campaign appearance, calling him an "Uncle Tom" and depicting him as a black-faced minstrel on a liberal Web log.

Operatives for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) also obtained a copy of his credit report -- the only Republican candidate so targeted.

But black Democrats say there is nothing wrong with "pointing out the obvious."

"There is a difference between pointing out the obvious and calling someone names," said a campaign spokesman for Kweisi Mfume, a Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate and former president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

State Sen. Lisa A. Gladden, a black Baltimore Democrat, said she does not expect her party to pull any punches, including racial jabs at Mr. Steele, in the race to replace retiring Democratic U.S. Sen. Paul S. Sarbanes.

"Party trumps race, especially on the national level," she said. "If you are bold enough to run, you have to take whatever the voters are going to give you. It's democracy, perhaps at its worse, but it is democracy."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro...4932-4054r.htm

Sparklehorse · 11-02-2005, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
McCarthyism is no footnote.

The terrorist imprisonment issue will be a footnote in a text college kids will buy and never open. It'll be discussed by people who think Joan Baez would've made a great senator.

Understand this - Americans are nothing if not utterly self-absrobed and completely self-righteous. You think anyone other than a few crazy liberals give a flying shit what happens to prisoners at Guatanamo Bay? NPR won't even talk about it in a few years.

The story has no legs. The Times doesn't even give it any ink anymore.

No. One. Cares. And no one ever will.

FWIW, I think you undersell the long-term ramifications this will have on our foreign policy.

As for this story being out of the news, there was an article about the Guantanamo prisoners in yesterday's Washington Post. Link Here

Secret_Agent_Man · 11-02-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
No. One. Cares. And no one ever will.

Did your grandpappy say the same thing in 1944 about the Japanese-Americans stuck into prison camps?

S_A_M

Penske_Account · 11-02-2005, 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
So the idea of spreading U.S.-style democracy to the rest of the world is a dead end?

Remind me why we're in Iraq again? Is it because we thought that their totalitarian government was the way the world should be run?

WMDs. Now they are in Syria and Iran. Good thing we have such a convenient platform to launch the battles against those two terrorist states.

Penske_Account · 11-02-2005, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
The City Meat Market in Giddings, Texas has the best barbeque in the whole wide world* and it is primarily pork based.

*I can produce two other GAs who can back this claim up. And I'm not sleeping with either one of them.

Anymore or yet?

Not Bob · 11-02-2005, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
WMDs. Now they are in Syria and Iran. Good thing we have such a convenient platform to launch the battles against those two terrorist states.

How did they get from Iraq to Iran and Syria? Are you saying that our military allowed them to escape? Why are you badmouthing our troops?

sebastian_dangerfield · 11-02-2005, 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Did your grandpappy say the same thing in 1944 about the Japanese-Americans stuck into prison camps?

S_A_M

Dude, I have a news flash for you. As far as news stories go, the Japanese internment is just below the Plant/Page reunion tour of a few years ago.

It may be on your radar screen as a major historical matter, but to 99.9% of this country - and most of the rest of the world - its a "Eh, yeh, how bout that? That wasn't cool" kind of story.

It kinda got bulldozed over by that WWII story that was taking place at the same time. That seemed to get a bit more press.

But I'm sure your Japanese History 101 professor had it up there in the Top 5 of the 20th century. Maybe he even referred to it as "Our Own Holocaust." Just goes to prove you should never take anything seriously from a person we both know now probably owns a Segway.

Secret_Agent_Man · 11-02-2005, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Dude, I have a news flash for you. As far as news stories go, the Japanese internment is just below the Plant/Page reunion tour of a few years ago.

It may be on your radar screen as a major historical matter, but to 99.9% of this country - and most of the rest of the world - its a "Eh, yeh, how bout that? That wasn't cool" kind of story.

It kinda got bulldozed over by that WWII story that was taking place at the same time. That seemed to get a bit more press.

But I'm sure your Japanese History 101 professor had it up there in the Top 5 of the 20th century. Maybe he even referred to it as "Our Own Holocaust." Just goes to prove you should never take anything seriously from a person we both know now probably owns a Segway.

I understand you're still recovering from the pork thing, Seb, but this was a pretty weak effort.

S_A_M