Still Hating America.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Our Father, w
Hallowed be t
thy kingdom
on earth as i
give us this d
and forgive us
as we forgive
and lead us not
but deliver us
AMEN

????

I can't tell whether that version uses trespasses. Where is the kingdom/power/glory part? I think Hank is not so familiar with the prayer.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I can't tell whether that version uses trespasses. Where is the kingdom/power/glory part? I think Hank is not so familiar with the prayer.

it's not in the Catholic version. just because i didn't learn to snake handle doesn't mean I wasn't trained in a Christian religion. http://www.catholictradition.org/prayers1.htm

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
What a phony. It sounds like she's trying to pretend that she's from Arkansas or something.

The guy who did the brilliant 1984 Macintosh ad ripping Hillary for Obama should have done a mockumentary about her spoofing Woody Allen's "Zelig."

Her Repiblican counterparts, McCain and Romney, are almost as funny. McCain got so much shit for being such an uber-politician that he's decided to refashion himself the super right wing candidate, and Romney's possible the most loathsome stuffed shirt in the whole fucking race. Just five years ago the guy was pro choice. Come on.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
it's not in the Catholic version. just because i didn't learn to snake handle doesn't mean I wasn't trained in a Christian religion. http://www.catholictradition.org/prayers1.htm

Yes it is. They just don't use it for marketing and branding reasons.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
My accent changes all the time. Depends on the context of where I am on what my voice sounds like. Sometimes I have a fairly thick Gulf Coast Texas accent, sometimes it's a more twangy Central Texas accent (and anyone from Texas can tell the difference), sometimes the fact that English wasn't my first language is very evident, sometimes it's pretty clear that I grew up watching a lot of accentless Californians on TV and in the movies. Depends on who I'm talking to, where I am, and how drunk, tired, or relaxed I am.

Right now, I can barely talk thanks to an irritating cold, so I don't have much of a voice, much less an accent.

I gear my language to fit the person I'm trying to separate from his wallet or get something from (what else are you ever doing at work, besides posting here?).

I hate doing it, but I find that among certain sorts, sounding moderately read is viewed with suspicion. Shit, I'll even degrade into "beer and wings" guy from time to time.

Creeps me out, but I guess its part of this dance of commerce those of us without huge trusts are forced into.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I gear my language to fit the person I'm trying to separate from his wallet or get something from (what else are you ever doing at work, besides posting here?).

I hate doing it, but I find that among certain sorts, sounding moderately read is viewed with suspicion. Shit, I'll even degrade into "beer and wings" guy from time to time.

Creeps me out, but I guess its part of this dance of commerce those of us without huge trusts are forced into.

wow. what did you guess your main audience here would be?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
it's not in the Catholic version. just because i didn't learn to snake handle doesn't mean I wasn't trained in a Christian religion. http://www.catholictradition.org/prayers1.htm

If you spoke whatever whatever English at home, you'd say it with trespasses and the other stuff.

My accent changes without me noticing. It's not conscious. It's probably manipulative.

[Spanky]

Anyone seen this in the papers? I certainly have not. This country's drug habit is tearing Mexico apart.

Mexico's Security Woes: A Brazen Attack and High-Speed Chase
Mexican authorities have asked for U.S. help in locating the surviving gunmen who killed a top anti-crime official in Durango state and then broke through three police roadblocks as they led law enforcement officers on a dramatic high-speed chase that spanned two northern states. The audacity of the gunmen involved in this latest attack -- one of many during the month of April -- suggests the drug cartels and other criminals are undeterred by President Felipe Calderon's anti-crime efforts.

The chase began April 21 after Sergio Munoz, commander of the Durango state anti-organized crime unit, was abducted by about a dozen heavily armed men riding in two pickup trucks as he left his home in the city of Durango. Units from Mexico's military and the attorney general's office pursued the suspects, who fled north toward neighboring Chihuahua state. A first shootout, which occurred at a roadblock about 50 miles north of Durango in the small town of Donato Guerra, left two police officers dead and one wounded. A second gunbattle occurred at a roadblock farther north, near the town of Rodeo, leaving one officer wounded.

The suspects finally ran into tough opposition in the town of Inde, some 250 miles north of the site of the kidnapping. At that roadblock, law enforcement agents killed three gunmen, forcing the others to separate -- but not before they dumped Munoz's body on the side of the road. From there, some of the suspects reportedly escaped on foot, while others continued north in a black Suburban sport utility vehicle to the town of Las Nieves, where two small airplanes were waiting to take them to an old airfield in Parral, just across the border in Chihuahua state.

Despite tracking the suspects by helicopter, authorities on the ground were unable to locate them after losing radio contact with the airborne units. Believing Munoz's kidnappers to be headed toward the U.S. border, Mexican officials have asked the United States for help locating them.

April has been another violent month in Mexico. Munoz was at least the second state police official to be killed this month, after Guerrero state Police Chief Ernesto Gutierrez Moreno was shot to death by four men wielding assault rifles while eating dinner in a Chilpancingo restaurant with his wife and son. Moreover, the deaths of at least 30 people in several Mexican states during the month have been attributed to the drug cartels or other organized crime syndicates. Assassinations, grenade attacks, shootouts -- with police and one another -- and attacks against journalists are becoming the norm -- despite President Felipe Calderon's campaign against the cartels. So far in 2007, at least 720 people have been killed in organized crime-related violence across the country. At this rate, the death toll associated with such violence will top the 2006 toll of more than 2,000.

One of the reasons for the high casualty count, especially within the law enforcement community, is that officers are being targeted regardless of which side of the law they stand on. For example, Munoz, who headed Durango's Unit Against Organized Crime under the National Civil Police, could have been on the payroll of one of the cartels and been taken out by a rival cartel. On the other hand, he might have been an honest police officer who refused to cooperate with the cartels -- and paid the price.

Either way, the brazen assault on a top law enforcement official illustrates that Munoz's abductors had little fear of Mexican law enforcement -- or of the consequences should they be caught. Calderon's anti-crime campaign, it appears, has a long way to go before it shows much progress.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
If you spoke whatever whatever English at home, you'd say it with trespasses and the other stuff.

My accent changes without me noticing. It's not conscious. It's probably manipulative.

and forgive us our trepasses

as we forgive those who trepass against us

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
and forgive us our trepasses

as we forgive those who trepass against us

So we're back to that 33rd guy again, I see.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
If you spoke whatever whatever English at home, you'd say it with trespasses and the other stuff.

My accent changes without me noticing. It's not conscious. It's probably manipulative.

2 on the second paragraph.

On the first, the kingdom power, etc part always confuses me because I've already said "amen" right after "deliver us from evil."

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
and forgive us our trepasses

as we forgive those who trepass against us

Why in English at all? No latin?

nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Why in English at all? No latin?

nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris

that reminds me of sophmore year when i was lead alto in the Harvard University Choir, every week at Memorial Church.

[captain marvelous]

Is it just me or has anyone else here noticed that W, while long a horrible public speaker and prone to insane malapropisms, has a noticeable slurring of words of late? One of my siblings is a speech pathologist and made this observation to me, which I have confirmed through the horror of actually listening to this buffoon rather than changing the station when he comes on. He sounds like Boris Yeltsin (may he rest in peace) delivering one of his worst vodka fueled inane ramblings. Or Regan after the Alzheimers starting flaring in 1980.

My sibling, as an expert in the field of speech says that there is certainly some cause to this affect, perhaps a stroke or more likely, in the case of a dry drunk, who was also a drug abuser up until the age of 40, and who never got treatment, a fall off the wagon. My other posit is that Cheney has his doctors hyping Bush up on some sort of psychotropic cocktail, which may be reacting to the booze as well.

Thoughts?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
that reminds me of sophmore year when i was lead alto in the Harvard University Choir, every week at Memorial Church.

Late bloomer?