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Old 10-14-2003, 09:56 PM   #451
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Three words: Flag Burning Amendment.
i'll match that: two words-
yahoos pandering- I asked for mainstream. AMENDMENT requires lots of votes you know.

your FBA is the equivalent of the campus speech stuff you've asked be discarded. if any nonsense is in, all nonsense is in.

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Old 10-14-2003, 10:04 PM   #452
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That guy is soooo the Yin to Hillary's Yang. I have very little* doubt that they were both Red Chinese plants sent here to destabilize America. Now if I could just figure out who their handler is, I'd unmask this marxist conspiracy.
Heh. You're only at the first layer of the onion. Keep digging, Hello, and keep up the good work.
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Old 10-14-2003, 10:06 PM   #453
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Heh. You're only at the first layer of the onion. Keep digging, Hello, and keep up the good work.
you confuse David I. with those he'd expose.....unless you're a reverse sarcasm poster
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I don't necessarily disagree with you; certainly there is some shading going on. But I would ask whether his characterization of the left is wholly untrue (based on your beliefs) or whether you do not fall within the left he is talking about? As I posted above, I believe if you put "FAR" before "LEFT," the statements closer approach reality.
I agree that the statements are closer to correct if you're talking about the true extremes in our relatively limited Americn political spectrum. However, part of the problem with our political discourse today is that partisans on each side attempt to paint their foes as that sort of extremist, and often seem incapable of presenting complex issues in any more nuanced way than that right/left summary we saw.

OTOH -- I certainly don't fall within the "Left" he's talking about. I continue to be astonished that America has changed so much in the past 20 years that my views are now center-Left. I think I'm closest to a Bush I Republican -- I mean Bush I of 1978 -- before he sold his soul and flipped on key positions to become Reagan's Vice-President.
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Old 10-14-2003, 10:27 PM   #455
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I agree that the statements are closer to correct if you're talking about the true extremes in our relatively limited Americn political spectrum. However, part of the problem with our political discourse today is that partisans on each side attempt to paint their foes as that sort of extremist, and often seem incapable of presenting complex issues in any more nuanced way than that right/left summary we saw.
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OTOH -- I certainly don't fall within the "Left" he's talking about. I continue to be astonished that America has changed so much in the past 20 years that my views are now center-Left. I think I'm closest to a Bush I Republican -- I mean Bush I of 1978 -- before he sold his soul and flipped on key positions to become Reagan's Vice-President.
A tribute to a man that most on the left (and here I do mean the left, not just the far left) considered an aimiable dunce.

By Bush I circa 1978, do you mean a Rockefeller Republican?
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Old 10-14-2003, 10:46 PM   #456
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you confuse David I. with those he'd expose.....unless you're a reverse sarcasm poster
You pretend to know how We work after reading a few paragraphs of http://www.davidicke.com/ ? Mammal, please. Come back when you've done your homework.

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I guess you didn't get the memo. Excesses of the left are now considered fascism. It's like "Joust"; if your ostrich skids past the far left of the screen, it just reappears on the far right.
I've believed this to be an essential truth since I was about 14. I remember saying in freshman math that if you go far enough to the right, you end up on the left, and vice versa.

How else do we end up with "communist dictatorships", "marxist dictatorships" etc. To revisit our old swearing match, my core belief regarding marxists of the soviet sort, is that it is a life or death question whether to acquiesce to their demands. I understand that we disagree about whether what happened was justified in many/most cases, but my belief is exactly why I belief their tactics must be adopted to fight them. The ideology of promising 51% of the populace that they can blindly steal from the other 49%, that they can violently oppress the other 49%, is so repugnant to me, that I support violently oppressing those who ardently advocate such views. At least, at such time as they are an actual threat to the power structure.

But, other than that, isn't the essential disagreement usually just whether our government has a legitimate interest in taking the actions it does? If the "right" is just a grey area to the right of the "left", I'd say the color of belief of the right is that our government has no legitimate interest in doing many things its already doing. The left would say it has legitimate interests in doing more. Just generically speaking of course.

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I will borrow my entry from Oscar Levant.

The only difference between the LEFT and the RIGHT is that the LEFT allows the poor to be corrupt, too.*

*Contains Googled information. Paraphrased with love.
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i'll match that: two words-
yahoos pandering- I asked for mainstream. AMENDMENT requires lots of votes you know.

your FBA is the equivalent of the campus speech stuff you've asked be discarded. if any nonsense is in, all nonsense is in.
There were 300 or more yahoos in the House in 1995, 1997, 1999, 2001 and 2003, and 63 yahoos in the Senate in 1995 and 2000.

But thank you for validating my view of the matter.

As for the speech stuff, I asked that it be disregarded as remote in time, unless someone can point up a post-1993 speech code at a major university --- preferably a State U., so we can get past the whole "state action" thing definitively. I'm still waiting. I honestly don't know of anyone other than ditto-heads who are still concerned about university speech codes. Actual, honest-to-goodness state-sponsored political correctness is, I think, a straw man.
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Old 10-15-2003, 08:22 AM   #461
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There were 300 or more yahoos in the House in 1995, 1997, 1999, 2001 and 2003, and 63 yahoos in the Senate in 1995 and 2000.
I meant pandering to yahoos (should have written yahoo pandering). This type pandering is similar to the Junior senator from New York reacting to the 2000 election with the statesman-like observation: "We've got to get rid of the electoral college..."

Shoot, that was one of the ways small states were convinced to join the country, and that wasn't even an amendment.

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But thank you for validating my view of the matter.
sometimes I wonder if you are sincere when you say thank you to people.......

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As for the speech stuff, I asked that it be disregarded as remote in time, unless someone can point up a post-1993 speech code at a major university --- preferably a State U., so we can get past the whole "state action" thing definitively. I'm still waiting. I honestly don't know of anyone other than ditto-heads who are still concerned about university speech codes. Actual, honest-to-goodness state-sponsored political correctness is, I think, a straw man.
3 cautions: 1-these are University Actions, not necessaially "codes." 2- they are editorial in content, and not "news" articles. 3- they tend to be about speech we could do without, but of course that is beside the point.

http://www.politicallyright.com/June2003/article17.htm

http://www.academia.org/campus_repor...ay_2000_2.html

this is just a sample. google pops up several pages.

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Old 10-15-2003, 09:31 AM   #462
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the acid kicked in just as he was starting his intro to the WW4 rap to distract us from what'll happen in '12. it could have been the blotter, sure, but I was seeing lizards in the audience taking names. plus they were drooling at the blond/blue.
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I will borrow my entry from Oscar Levant.

The only difference between the LEFT and the RIGHT is that the LEFT allows the poor to be corrupt, too.*

*Contains Googled information. Paraphrased with love.
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dude, I've been to the shows! last one.....

the acid kicked in just as he was starting his intro to the WW4 rap to distract us from what'll happen in '12. it could have been the blotter, sure, but I was seeing lizards in the audience taking names.
So you took the red pill? Best of luck on your journey.

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and in other news:

The Rifleman - Flemmi implicates the original bad FBI guy in Boston in two murders. Today's Boston Globe.

Uhm, Yasser Arafat has apparently run out of excuses for not fighting terrorists. His words today sound just like his words yesterday. When the dust settles, I'd love to hear thoughts on where this goes.

In Chicago, Daley says no new property taxes. A pretty impressive layoff is coming though; there goes either a lot of patronage positions or a lot of city services. Gee, who is left to lay off after the last 3 rounds?

And those Cubs sure are a delicate little bunch?

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