Fashion Board 4-6-04 to 5-7-04

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
didn't challenge their knowledge of FAA regs.

You know, their knowledge of only one reg keeps me quiet: interference with a flight crew. Supporting TM's theory, they love to pull that card out right quick, especially in DC. And the results of an arrest for that apparently aren't too pretty, because now it's assumed your a terrorist, apparently, even if your crime was being a surly drunk.

[SlaveNoMore]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
At least he's not involuntarily celibate, socially maladjusted wallflower or loudmouth jackass mimicking William Buckley (see: Ih8djfkjr).

Not to split hairs, but the above analogy is about as inaccurate as:

At least he's not a proselytyzing uber-religious, non-drinking Jesus freak (see: LessinSF).

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by bilmore
This is why I always get better seats and service than Abba.

The downside, of course, is that I don't get to experience that rush of raw power that comes from berating the peasants . . .

I'm a generally nice person too. It takes a LOT to piss me off, even when someone fucks up royally (usually I get pissed off due to fuck ups related to banking or utilities). I assume that if people are fucking up a regulation, it's because they weren't trained properly or the policy wasn't written properly. And it's usually some lawyer's fault that they weren't trained properly or the policy wasn't written properly. Since I'm a lawyer that has to distill complicated regulations and pass them on to service people and write policies based on those regs, I'm sympathetic to the lawyer's plight.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Hey, you get business in the strangest places.

I'd love to own a restaurant someday, but I'd die. I'd eat everything and drink around the clock and lose my ass.

I thought you didn't have an ass.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
I hate Southwest's system - if you're flying with someone, you have to be manic about being an A, or you will be flying next to the perv with the Vicki Secret catalogs. That said, I flew Alaska 2 weeks ago and their boarding system was

1) preboard for first class, MVP and people with issues and people with children.

2) Everyone else. It didn't use to be that way. It was more orderly. I think they've taken a page from one of the only profitable airlines and have instituted the cattle stampede for the door. But at least you have assigned seats, but if you have carry-on, you've got to be in the first half or you're screwed.

I flew somewhere with a small child and no other adult recently, and the airline (United) wouldn't let me pre-board with the child. For the love of God, what were they thinking? It's fun trying to get on a plane while carrying a car seat and a couple of bags, and leading an inquisitive yet uncertain child. I'm sure I banged non-deLarge elbows. If I'm ever insane enough to travel under those circumstances again, I will be avoiding United.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by bilmore
When they say "please pay attention", they really mean "shut the fuck up so other people can hear me." Surprisingly, people who don't travel often don't know that stuff, and really do want to hear it.

Was the last flight you took one of the Wright Brothers' maiden voyages old man? They use microphones now or the tape that plays automatically blasts it throughout the cabin. It is impossible to talk over.

Most people have it memorized. The people who don't fly often can hear it. No one should be forced to shut the fuck up to listen to it.

TM

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Sometimes doggy bags are used for...wait for it...doggies!

TM

The Displaced Dog thanks you for the defense. It's not his fault that health codes prevent him from dining at the restaurant with me.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I think you're fucking with BnB just because you can. The fact is, she knows by the tone in the stewardess' (yeah, I said it. Stewardess. I'll say it again.) voice and the look on her face whether or not she was being annoying just because she wanted the rush that comes with exerting some power. She was there, you weren't. I give BnB the benefit of the doubt on this one, because so many flight attendants need their livers removed with a spoon for being bitchy. The fact is, it is their fucking job to be polite. Especially when people are trapped in a plane and at their mercy.

Oh, please. She got a rush from the power of saying "FAA regulations require that you answer audibly?"*

Undoubtedly she did get a power rush from telling BnB that she could move to another seat if she refused to comply with the (really simple) requirement of responding audibly to an inquiry. But are you suggesting that BnB didn't also get a little rush of power from her lawyerly (though probably incorrect) feeling of knowing the regs better than the silly FA?



*She was probably half-right about that -- it's probably airline policy instituted in response to FAA regs.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
did you take it?

Only because the terms were acceptable to me. And when I say take it, I'm talking about the apartment, smartasses.

TM

[bilmore]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Was the last flight you took one of the Wright Brothers' maiden voyages old man? They use microphones now or the tape that plays automatically blasts it throughout the cabin. It is impossible to talk over.

Most people have it memorized. The people who don't fly often can hear it. No one should be forced to shut the fuck up to listen to it.

TM

A. Um, yesterday. Wilbur says hi.

B. Last trip, I watched an older couple, who obviously hadn't flown much, looking very concerned because asshole behind them kept laughing and talking loudly to his asshole buddies throughout the speech. They couldn't hear it. It clearly worried them. I understand that their worries are probably a source of amusement, and it's their problem, and fuck 'em if they can't take a joke, and they shouldn't be flying if they're that stoopid, and whatever else. But, no, you can talk over it.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Oh, please. She got a rush from the power of saying "FAA regulations require that you answer audibly?"*

Undoubtedly she did get a power rush from telling BnB that she could move to another seat if she refused to comply with the (really simple) requirement of responding audibly to an inquiry. But are you suggesting that BnB didn't also get a little rush of power from her lawyerly (though probably incorrect) feeling of knowing the regs better than the silly FA?

No argument there. But (1) it sounds like she wasn't being lawyerly since her source of knowledge was her many flights where no such requirement existed and (2) BnB's bitchy response shouldn't have been necessary in the first place.

I'm pretty sure you agree that I'm mostly correct that if it was a matter of BnB being bitchy when the woman politely got her attention and said, "I'm sorry, but can you give me an audible response?" in a polite way, BnB would have been at fault for pulling any crap.

It seems to me, from her story that the FA was annoyed that she was being ignored, tapped on her leg and caught a fucking attitude. No tears lost for her.

TM

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
Let's be honest. FA's just make up shit to amuse themselves. Once, while seated in an exit row, I had the FA do the "you are seated in an exit row" speech. At the end, she asked us if we all understood. We all dutifully nodded our heads. She then said "The FAA requires that I get a verbal yes from each of you." I responded, "They do not." She asked if I'd like to be moved to a different seat.

Whenever I'm on a plane, and they announce something about FAA regulations, I assume that I could go find those regulations in the CFR if I really cared to. Does anyone know if this is true? Does anyone know if the flight attendants keep their own well-read copy of the pertinent volume of the CFR in the galley?

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
It seems to me, from her story that the FA was annoyed that she was being ignored, tapped on her leg and caught a fucking attitude. No tears lost for her.

That's not the way I read it, but I don't much care. I'm not shedding any tears for the FA. It just seems like an awfully small thing to get so irritated over.

And if someone is unwilling to cooperate with an FA to the extent necessary to give an audible response, it would be entirely legitimate for the FA to conclude that that person would not be willing to listen to flight crew instructions in the event of an emergency (which you're supposed to do when you're in an exit row, even if the flight crew is bitchy).

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by bilmore
A. Um, yesterday. Wilbur says hi.

B. Last trip, I watched an older couple, who obviously hadn't flown much, looking very concerned because asshole behind them kept laughing and talking loudly to his asshole buddies throughout the speech. They couldn't hear it. It clearly worried them. I understand that their worries are probably a source of amusement, and it's their problem, and fuck 'em if they can't take a joke, and they shouldn't be flying if they're that stoopid, and whatever else. But, no, you can talk over it.

Ah yez. The example that doesn't apply to anything we've been talking about.

When I said it was impossible to talk over it, did you take that literally? Did you think BnB was drunk and screaming at the top of her lungs like the jackass on your flight? No. Of course not. You're just wrong, so you dig up some example that doesn't apply. But you're still wrong.

All this other crap:

"I understand that their worries are probably a source of amusement, and it's their problem, and fuck 'em if they can't take a joke, and they shouldn't be flying if they're that stoopid, and whatever else. But, no, you can talk over it."

is typical bilmore bullshit.

TM

[Oliver_Wendell_Ramone]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Whenever I'm on a plane, and they announce something about FAA regulations, I assume that I could go find those regulations in the CFR if I really cared to. Does anyone know if this is true? Does anyone know if the flight attendants keep their own well-read copy of the pertinent volume of the CFR in the galley?

I always make sure I have the relevant portions of the CFR loaded on my laptop before flying. I demand specific citations to the regulations before I agree to anything. Because the FAs are non-lawyers, however, I cut them some slack on Blue Book form.