Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Oh, I'm with you. I was just offering a silly example of what you'd be facing if you had such a contract with Penske.

Penske seems to like the opt out also. But he would... shit, they all would. They're all full of moral hot air until it matters, then they're all about escaping responsibility.

I don;'t believe in opt outs. Except in the first trimester or for material health reasons thereafter.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Ann hates him, so he's fine by me.

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[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You're nuts. I'm laughing, but you are deranged. Are you like Val Kilmer or can you come out of character?

Interesting comparison...Val Kilmer played the Spartan, although he sort of dumbed me down in that role.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Penske_Account


I don't believe in opt-outs.

Okay. Just doing a consistency check.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by nononono
Well, on the tests, once you get a genetic test back (not the initial screen), I think it's pretty much dead-on for the things they test for. Which isn't too many. My recollection is fuzzy, as always.

I had a close relative where the initial tests showed some catastrophic deformity. She went to a very well known Hospital for more specific follow up tests and there were mixed results. The genetic specialists said something like there was a 30% chance of catastrophic genetic disorder that would result in death within 3 years. They went through with it. The kid fell into the 70%. Seemingly perfectly normal at age 4.

Originally posted by nononono

I frankly have a hard time getting on a political high-horse on this issue. I marched on Washington back in early college in 1988 (not since, interestingly). I have a very high sense of both personal liberty and personal responsibility and accountability (I don't see much wrong with Seb's suggestion of lifelong responsibility for both parents, unless they agree otherwise). But yes, I feel more keenly now about "life."

In 1988 I was pro-choice. I evolved. Much like our nation did on the issue of slavery and civil rights.

Originally posted by nononono
Rather than legislative or judicial solutions to the abortion question, in my utopia, people would just make extremely smart choices and live with and up to the consequences of failures or lapses and a bad luck of the draw.

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[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
The politics of personal destruction, nice.

I don't have a line item veto on where my tax dollars go and there's no reason I should have to fund one beneficiary of public benefits. There are lots of people on the public dole who don't deserve to be there, maybe we should have defunded them for Schiavo.

Either way, state sanctioned murder remains the case the state of Florida gave us. You obviously revel in the blood on your hands (and show a great deal of disrespect for the innocent victims life and death. Why are the liberals such haters?). For me, my indirect complicity in her murder is deeply troubling.

I don't have blood on my hands. Carrots don't bleed.


Seriously: Terry Schiavo was entitled to die in peace and dignity, and not to be made a public spectacle. You and your Bible-thumping friends took that away from her. Congratulations.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
All of the lies proffered by Ty and TurdShifter have come from blogs.

Ergo, it's only fair to point that out.

Point out what? How I have managed to silence "dissention" through my sophisticated mind-control techniques that control the policies of blogs throughout cyberspace?

Cool.

PS- You know I have no truck in your fight with Penske, so leave me the fuck out of it, for numerous reasons. Bitch, :-)

Then stop imitating him.

And get back to work.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
I think the Dems should just wave this one through. We should be thankful it wasn't Brown or Coulter or somebody. The R's on the Gang of 14 will never buy this one as an extraordinary circumstance, so Roberts will sail through. If a Dem senator tries to filibuster, the right will shriek and howl about how unreasonable they are, and I personally wouldn't disagree. Let's get back to discussing what a slimebag Karl Rove is, asap.

The Dems should ask questions and seek a full hearing. They should be respectful and professional, and honor him as the public servant he is (sort of like the Repubs are doing with... oh, never mind).

They should not take him to task over arguments he has made in briefs, where he was asserting a position as counsel for a client. Nor should they push to get dox. that are subject to the atty-client privilege.

And they almost certainly should not filibuster, unless something no one currently knows about comes to light.

In other words, they should treat the hearing like a hearing, not like an opportunity to make a speech or score points. Hopefully the Repubs will allow that, and will do the same.

[nononono]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I had a close relative where the initial tests showed some catastrophic deformity. She went to a very well known Hospital for more specific follow up tests and there were mixed results. The genetic specialists said something like there was a 30% chance of catastrophic genetic disorder that would result in death within 3 years. They went through with it. The kid fell into the 70%. Seemingly perfectly normal at age 4.

Okay, yes, like I said, memory is fuzzy. But my recollection is that at the initial screen you get a probability - 1 in 200 I think is "normal," but once you do the amnio they are actually looking at the chromosomes to see if a or b is missing/damaged/extra. A lot of people choose not to do an amnio, due to the risks (pretty much the 1/200 chance of an issue, across all OBs, which is why the "line" is often at that 1/200 mark), but instead will make a choice to keep moving forward based on that. Interestingly, I've had conversations with a lot of people who say they won't do the amnio/don't want to know because they intend to keep the baby. In my mind, whatever you're going to do with it, don't you want to know, at least to be ready for what you may be facing? I've never gotten a good answer to that.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by nononono
Well, on the tests, once you get a genetic test back (not the initial screen), I think it's pretty much dead-on for the things they test for. Which isn't too many. My recollection is fuzzy, as always.

Downs Syndrome and spinal bifida. And when we took the tests, we had already decided that positive = abortion.

I'm glad we had that choice, and glad we didn't have to follow it through.


And now, Penske will tell me I'm a murderer and a baby-killer, because for Penske this is the only response to any serious discussion about any issue (well, that and his little pictures from vrwc.com.)

[nononono]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Downs Syndrome and spinal bifida. And when we took the tests, we had already decided that positive = abortion.

I'm glad we had that choice, and glad we didn't have to follow it through.


And now, Penske will tell me I'm a murderer and a baby-killer, because for Penske this is the only response to any serious discussion about any issue (well, that and his little pictures from vrwc.com.)

Trisomy (at least one of them), too, probably.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I don't have blood on my hands. Carrots don't bleed.


Seriously: Terry Schiavo was entitled to die in peace and dignity, and not to be made a public spectacle. You and your Bible-thumping friends took that away from her. Congratulations.

Or, perhaps you and liberal friends pushed the state of Florida to kill her against her wishes, which no one really knows. In the aftermath of the Schiavo thing I voiced my desire to be kept alive at all costs. My wife (I suspect fearing a long potential waiting period for the multi-million dollar insurance payment) dislikes and disagrees with my position. Assuming I have since neglected to get a living will and I go into a persistent vegetative state today and she goes to court to pull the plug and says (lying-she was a demo before I turned her so she has bad tendencies) "oh yes, he told me he would want to die", and then gets her sister to similarly lie and say, "I heard it too", notwithstanding that my parents and siblings testify that I would want to be kept alive, the State sanctions my murder based on fraud.

Which is essentially what happened in the Schiavo case. At least accept responsibility for what your revel in.

eta: funny carrot joke by the way. I bet her family would find that hilarious

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch


And now, Penske will tell me I'm a murderer and a baby-killer, because for Penske this is the only response to any serious discussion about any issue (well, that and his little pictures from vrwc.com.)

Nope. It's an acceptably legal choice and despite the fact that I have thought through what I think from this vantage point, that I would do I don't judge others based on those choices (I do advocate a change in the law, which is different than judging others). I had another friend where the diagnosis of catastrophic genetic disorders came late in the second trimester and they had a partial birth abortion. It was a tragic and difficult event for them, and I was and still am sympathetic and supportive.

And I made no vegetable jokes, but I am sure if i had they would have been as funny as your carrot joke about Ms. Schiavo.

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Or, perhaps you and liberal friends pushed the state of Florida to kill her against her wishes, which no one really knows. In the aftermath of the Schiavo thing I voiced my desire to be kept alive at all costs. My wife (I suspect fearing a long potential waiting period for the multi-million dollar insurance payment) dislikes and disagrees with my position. Assuming I have since neglected to get a living will and I go into a persistent vegetative state today and she goes to court to pull the plug and says (lying-she was a demo before I turned her so she has bad tendencies) "oh yes, he told me he would want to die", and then gets her sister to similarly lie and say, "I heard it too", notwithstanding that my parents and siblings testify that I would want to be kept alive, the State sanctions my murder based on fraud.

Which is essentially what happened in the Schiavo case. At least accept responsibility for what your revel in.

eta: funny carrot joke by the way. I bet her family would find that hilarious

Look, you start leaking, you die, unless you can clean up your own leaks or get some sucker like dtb to do it by pretending you are a beloved family pet.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Ann hates him, so he's fine by me.

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