Fashion Board 11-2-03 - 12-09-03

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Sparklehorse
There must be some ways around this law because friends at Thanksgiving brought some California sparkling wine to dinner. They were recently at the vineyard and it was the same price to join the wine club of the vineyard as it was just to pay for the tasting. So they get different bottles shipped to them every month. They did say that it has to be sent to a place of business although they didn't know why.

What state are they in? It is OK in some states.

I think the place of business restriction is to reduce the chance a minor could receive the alcohol.

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
I am now convinced that you have never actually even seen the White Stripes. I think you probably saw The Rapture instead.

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It was the SNL rerun with John McCain hosting. THe guy whined just like him and did that whole angst thing. Plus he had the robert smith cum michael jackson makeup going on. it was reCOCKulous. and this comes from someoen who never heard the band. I suggest you see this rerun before deciding I dont know what I saw, Mister I Know Everything About ALL BAnds Whether You Heard Of Them Or Not. You are the James Lipton of music. Fuck me.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
It was the SNL rerun with John McCain hosting. THe guy whined just like him and did that whole angst thing. Plus he had the robert smith cum michael jackson makeup going on. it was reCOCKulous. and this comes from someoen who never heard the band.

I did a little checking on the internet and have confirmed that, although the White Stripes have played on SNL, they did not do so when John McCain was hosting. When McCain was hosting, the guest band was, in fact, The Rapture.

Thank you. Thank you very much.

I suggest you see this rerun before deciding I dont know what I saw, Mister I Know Everything About ALL BAnds Whether You Heard Of Them Or Not.

That is darn catchy, but I have grown fond of the Pretty Little Flower screen name, so I am going to stick with it.

Fuck me.

That would be immoral.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
I'd have to agree that the 21st Amendment places alcohol on different footing from the general Commerce Clause analysis, because it does not merely repeal Amendment 18. Section 2 of the 21st Amendment gives power to the states to ban any transportation or importation "in violation of the laws" of that state or territory. Given the poor way Amendment 21 is drafted, I doubt even Congress has the power to occupy the field and lift state controls on importation.

Bad policy, bad economics, but not unconstitutional.

Perhaps. The better argument, I think, is that that the repeal permits states to regulate alcohol sales within the state generally (by, say, enacting blue laws, taxing, or banning sales altogether), not discriminate against out-of-state suppliers by, basically, banning out-of-state transactions, except to the extent that it furthers the laws of general application in the state (e.g.: a dry state does not need to permit out of state imports just because it is interstate commerce). Or: you have two constitutional "mandates," one clear the other (perhaps) implied. At best this leads to a balancing test, and there isn't really a colorable public-interest justification for the discrimination.

Ultimately, as with so much, I imagine it will come down to (i) who has the better lobby, (ii) whether the repubs decide it is worth it to make a large concilliatory economic gesture towards CA, and (iii) which political groups decide the wine-drinking-version of the elite are their natural constituency and therefore the fight is a useful symbolic overature. I'm not sure where any of that comes down.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
(ii) whether the repubs decide it is worth it to make a large concilliatory economic gesture towards CA,

That would be largely wasted right now, given the already-robust performance of the CA wine industry.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
It was the SNL rerun with John McCain hosting. THe guy whined just like him and did that whole angst thing. Plus he had the robert smith cum michael jackson makeup going on. it was reCOCKulous. and this comes from someoen who never heard the band. I suggest you see this rerun before deciding I dont know what I saw, Mister I Know Everything About ALL BAnds Whether You Heard Of Them Or Not. You are the James Lipton of music. Fuck me.

Does a band ever sound good on SNL? Thanks to Shape Shifter, I saw a little of the show this weekend, including a number by Pink that sounded whatever, tho' that could be Pink (sorry, Slave). I haven't watched it since the last millenium, but it seems to me a setting designed for mediocre performances. It's like saying the drunken sex wasn't good (sorry, Sebby, but it just seems that way because you're drunk).

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by Not Me
I think the place of business restriction is to reduce the chance a minor could receive the alcohol.

Or: it could be that as a business it is assumed to have a license to buy wholesale, which gives one all sorts of nifty perks in buying things supposedly not available to the general public at favorable prices.

[ThrashersFan]

I did not know this interesting tidbit and thought I would share

1942: Errol Flynn is arrested for the statutory rape of two teenage girls. He's acquitted and the phrase "In like Flynn" is coined.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by paigow
Fuck me.

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
That would be immoral.

Only if you tranport her across state lines to do so.

TM

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Does a band ever sound good on SNL?

Elvis Costello and the Attractions were good.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Sparklehorse
They did say that it has to be sent to a place of business although they didn't know why.

Interestingly enough, if you simply make up a business name (BagginsLaw) and give your home address, it will come.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by bilmore
That would be largely wasted right now, given the already-robust performance of the CA wine industry.

In general, yes, but not so much among many of the smaller non-prestigious wineries, which do, in fact, have trouble getting wide distribution. They don't have the econ clout, but they employ and they vote. They are the nice, photogenic "struggling independent farmers" as opposed to the ADM-agribusiness of Gallo.

I think it would be more wasted because of the "fuck CA, they all vote Dem anyway, notwithstanding Arnie" thing. It would be interesting if Arnie would take up this cause, even if only in passing, to see what other support it garnered.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Sparklehorse
[Wineclub]...They did say that it has to be sent to a place of business although they didn't know why.

The wine club I just signed my father up for requires a signature for the delivery of the wine because of the selling to minors thing, and will charge extra if someone is not around to receive shipment, so they prefer (but don't require) shipping to a business address.

Maryland can't receive wine under a law that has long been touted as protectionism for Maryland wineries (which need all the protection they can get), so I haven't experienced this myself. Must be nice. I am considering having wine shipped to a friendly co-counsel in DC, though.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
In general, yes, but not so much among many of the smaller non-prestigious wineries, which do, in fact, have trouble getting wide distribution. They don't have the econ clout, but they employ and they vote. They are the nice, photogenic "struggling independent farmers" as opposed to the ADM-agribusiness of Gallo.

I think it would be more wasted because of the "fuck CA, they all vote Dem anyway, notwithstanding Arnie" thing. It would be interesting if Arnie would take up this cause, even if only in passing, to see what other support it garnered.

I wasn't being clear (gasp!) - my impression was the industry is trashing, or even trashed. I know people looking to dump their grapes on whomever might give them something for them, and who are desperately seeking other land uses. Sorry.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by bilmore
I wasn't being clear (gasp!) - my impression was the industry is trashing, or even trashed. I know people looking to dump their grapes on whomever might give them something for them, and who are desperately seeking other land uses. Sorry.

Is this the result of a bumper crop or of a bad economy?