Politics: Where we struggle to kneel in the muck.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
I can't speak for AG, but in my case that reason is a 2001 Marietta Old Vine Zinfandel.



Yummy.

Did you mail her the cork yet?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Did you mail her the cork yet?

I'm thinking it'll take more than one cork, so I've got some more drinking to do.

The wine tastes really good if you drink it while watching a digital download of Game 4 of the ALCS.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Apropos of your conversation about fascism, I refer you to "What Was Fascism?" by Adrian Lyttleton in the Oct. 21, 2004 issue of the New York Review of Books (on-line version for subscribers only, alas), a review of The Anatomy of Fascism by Robert O. Paxton. It starts:

An interesting review, and it sounds like a good book. Buy it from Amazon through lawtalkers' link, and let me know whether it's worth reading.

Turns out this guy is on my shelf, and its a source for a good part of my basis of understanding. He wrote "Europe in the Twentieth Centure", and I have the third edition which I read circa 1999. Its sorta like a textbook. Chapter 10 has a section on Depression Politics in the Authoritarian States (as compared to a section on Depresion Politics in the Liberal States... Liberal as in DS's oldskool understanding of the term). Chapter 11 is The Authoritarian 1930's and the Spread of Fascism.

Anyhoo, Mussolini started out with Corporatism (Cartels for entire state-sanctioned industries), based on Syndicalism. Chief proponent? An ex-syndicalist IWW organizer (Rossoni) who organized Italian immigrants in New Joisey. By 1928 he was gone, as management hated the idea of giving a voice to worker associations. As S_A_M correctly noed, "[t]he Fascist regime talked less and less of corporatism while quietly shifting economic influence from Fascist idealogues like Rossoni and from state agencies to the Italian businessmen's association, the General Confederation of Italian Industry".

The National Council of Corporations was set up in 1930, and divided twenty-two branches of industry and trade into "corporations". Workers were deprived by 1930 of the right to even strike.

It sounds nothing like classic Liberalism or Marxist theory and, in fact, sounds very close to what the Soviets actually ended up doing (thus, the cylinder meeting of extremes in real life). Instead of nominally placing all power in the hands of State branches, the State deputized the corporations and gave it to them. Calling this "conservative" or "right-wing" is no more accurate than calling Bush a conservative. At best, my guy is a nationalist, which is certainly preferable to your beret-bearing Internationalist.

In any case, the book is a pretty interesting background on what was happening in Europe before WWII. Also, one could always read Orwell's Homage to Catalonia for an explanation of the various left-wing ideologies.

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[Not Me]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I'm not talking about mastedons became elephants. that makes sense. one problem for me is how did single celled plants become animals with multiple cells and specialized cells (ie blood vessals). I want to believe in evolution, but no one can give me a theory,

Hi Hank, when you say "no one can give you a theory" who the heck are you talking to? Have ever spoken to a biologist before? 'Cuz if you have, then you would know that there are quite a few theories about this sort of stuff and some theories even have proof to back up the theory.


FYI - there are these people who for a living investigate this stuff, they are called scientists. They write alot about their work and these articles are found in things called libraries. If you go to a library, you can read the articles. You might not be aware of this but the internet is not a library.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
And this is why I love you.

Take it to the FB. Or PMs. Only hate will be tolerated on the PB.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
3 words that add a full range of examples to what you are saying here. Guns, Germs & Steel. Giving humans the ability to domesticate animals and selectively modify plants and other living organisms was surely one of the 10 greatest gifts God gave man. And, along with opposable thumbs and that part of our brain that isn't dulled by crack, it separates us from every other living creature!

You're just... such a tool.

Nothing to post. Just wanted to remind you.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Are you serious? PM Ty and ask him who'd likely win if you do the evolution/creationism fight with me.

Again you change the subject, Hank. I am not mocking the idea that a deity was involved in creating the Earth. I am simply mocking anyone who believes that said creation occurred as described in the BIble, in seven days.

Or, are you going to tell me that we cannot disprove the theory that the Earth was created, complete with higher level plants, animals, and humans, in seven days? Remember the 400 foot ice cream cone.

S_A_M

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Do you really want to go here S_A_M? I want to see a poll of how many Kerry supporters thought that it wasn't illegal compared to how many just thought they wouldn't get caught.

That poll cuts across party lines.

S_A_M

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Nothing to post. Just wanted to remind you.

Never mind. When was the last time anyone posted on the board you moderate?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Again you change the subject, Hank. I am not mocking the idea that a deity was involved in creating the Earth. I am simply mocking anyone who believes that said creation occurred as described in the BIble, in seven days.

Or, are you going to tell me that we cannot disprove the theory that the Earth was created, complete with higher level plants, animals, and humans, in seven days? Remember the 400 foot ice cream cone.

S_A_M

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[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Never mind. When was the last time anyone posted on the board you moderate?

You're just such a douchebag. I don't know hot to really describe it, but you're like some kind of annoying dork or something. You're like one of those really gay young republicans who's so sure he knows everything. Even when you're right, I'm forced to disagree with you because the way you present your case is just so.. toolish. I just can't help shooting the messenger in your case.

Yeh, yeh, I know. I'm bitter... a blowhard... I steal my shtick from Hunter Thompson... I've heard it all. But even at my worst, I couldn't hope to be as grating and annoying as you.

You're like an unholy hybrid of Neidermeyer from Animal House, David Spade's character in PCU, Tucker Carlson and an evangelical Southern Baptist. Its funny that you like Bush, since his main claim to fame is likablility. I seriously doubt I could share a beer with someone who presents himself like you.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I'm bitter

I have that effect on people.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Short answer- (this normally takes 10 posts to spring the trap- and we've done this about 6 times so i don't want to again)
No, i'm not a creationist.
I'm a "there is no really proven explaination for why we're here."

Because

Creationism = you believe in miracles

What people call "evolution"*=you believe in a string of several billion to one occurences, with a few w/o any explaination.

I'll say "If you want to cite science,you need to understand it can be wrong, just because a scientist said it does not make it any more unquestionable than if a priest says it."

i can't do it now, but the simple point is don't be pompous against people who are creationist. it is not a magnitude of difference away from evolution, as a dumb guy theory.

*I'm not talking about mastedons became elephants. that makes sense. one problem for me is how did single celled plants become animals with multiple cells and specialized cells (ie blood vessals). I want to believe in evolution, but no one can give me a theory, even google- our new god.

ps. I never troll. i fuck with people, but only when absolutely necessary.

Beleive it or not, I agree with Hank that evolution isn't an completely proven theory. There are some holes in it and one can articulate an argument that not all the linkages are there to tie us all the way back to the bacteria thaat allegedly started it aal.

That said, thee biblical 7 Day theory is about 10000000 rungs down the line from evolution on the laddder of believaable theories about why we're here. Its fantasy. Its not open for debate as a serious contender to evolution. Now, the creationists' other theory - I think its called "intelligent design" - which basicaally claims that they existence of modern man is the combination of variables which, when viewed in total, show the work of a guiding hand of God... well, that may be scientific. It is a theory to suggest that the data shows patterns in our evolution consistent with an intelligent desighing force. I don't buy it, but at least its playing within the scientific method. The 7 Day nonsense is as plausible as the Easter Bunny and shouldn't even be given lip service.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
I have that effect on people.

No, you kind of amuse me. I'm bitter about the fact that I have to work for a living. You're just a punching bag.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
No, you kind of amuse me.

Yeah, you sound amused.