A disgusting vat of filth that no self-respecting intelligent person would wade into.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Not necessarily, but you are tacitly legitimatising the behaviour by creating an impression that a treasoner has something of merit to say. It's like inviting John Wayne Gacy to speak on childcare issues.

Right. Good analogy. For an idiot.


In any event, once again -- you are criticizing the people who do the inviting, but pretending that applies to anyone who happens to be at the event -- or who even supports the general position expressed at the event.


I don't think that every R who listens to Ollie North is a criminal, a traitor, or a supporter of arming Iran. I mean, some of them are -- after all, Bush has been Iran's best friend -- but not all of them.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Not really. A lot of Lefties on this board share a lot of views with the Kos nuts. However, the Kos nuts have been branded imbeciles in the conventional wisdom of the moment, so the Lefties can't claim them without looking silly. What you're seeing when you really push any Lefty about Kos and DU is their true, almost subconscious allegiance of thought with those nuts coming to the surface.

These people don't like our country. They don't like what controls our country and deep down, they think we should try as much as possible for a society where no one's a loser. They're not capitalists.

Deep down inside they know they can't cut it, so they are proactively seeking to ensure that a socialist government dole will be there to bail them out of their destined loserdom. Sad. The teacher's unions teachers go a long way towards destroying the self esteem of our generations of youth and inculcating the leftwing cult of victimhood.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Deep down inside they know they can't cut it, so they are proactively seeking to ensure that a socialist government dole will be there to bail them out of their destined loserdom. Sad. The teacher's unions teachers go a long way towards destroying the self esteem of our generations of youth and inculcating the leftwing cult of victimhood.

Some folks think its profoundly unfair that the playing field is not even. Some go as far as to think its unfair that we be forced to compete at all. I think the underpinning of their thought is that if we eliminated the human desire to best our fellow man, we'd all cooperate and somehow move forward in some glorious utopia. That seems to be the natural end of their thinking. Of course, they claim to support competition, so long as its "fair" on a scale they create. But that's a bullshit compromise. What they really want is some sort of big brother mechanism to knock the guy at the top of the ladder down a few pegs and give what he's got to the people at the bottom. The problem is, their best devices for doing so just wind up fucking the people in the middle.

You don't need to look much further than their favored nests - govt and academia - to see what their ultimate goal, and hidden weaknesses, are. They (a) don't want to work, and (b) don't want to compete.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I doubt that Buchanan is pro-Israel.

Also, I remember that long ago he was openly hostile to extraditing at least one Nazi, who had committed atrocities in the Baltic States (Estonia, I think?), to the Soviet Union. He had multiple reasons for this but it wasn't a position well received by many Jews, I suspect. I'm not sure if this was an isolated instance of him being overly concerned about Nazi war criminals.

He has made the statement that AIPAC is too powerful and that the media is controlled by the jews and is therefore biased towards Isreal. He has also said some other stuff.

I was watching Jimmy Carter and Alan Dershowitz speak at Brandeis the other day. Jimmy Carter made the same claim about the American media being biased towards Isreal. Dershowitz responded that if you just look at the media that is not true. I have to agree with him.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
You, Sidd and i seem to look at it about the same then. I don't believe him- maybe he is lying.

I do believe spitting at someone's feet is bad. I do believe it hypocritical to attack a guy because he accuses an anti-war protester of spitting at the ground near him, then accuse Slave of making ad hominum attacks based solely on a person's politics.

And I think it especially silly since a complete answer would have been:

"Don't know if it is true, but I do agree there are some complete crazies out there on both sides capable of spitting on/near someone."

I don't think you followed my posts. There certainly are some complete crazies out there on both sides -- including some real nutjobs who show up at the antiwar demonstrations* -- who are capable of spitting near someone. I wasn't defending the crazies. But Slave was smearing the tens of thousands of protesters with the actions of one possible nutjob.


* In SF, there are hardcore anarchists who use the distracted attention of police during antiwar rallies to do crimes. These people are not protesting -- they're taking advantage of the situation. They would do the same thing if large numbers of Freepers marched in SF, implausible as that may be.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Some folks think its profoundly unfair that the playing field is not even. Some go as far as to think its unfair that we be forced to compete at all. I think the underpinning of their thought is that if we eliminated the human desire to best our fellow man, we'd all cooperate and somehow move forward in some glorious utopia. That seems to be the natural end of their thinking. Of course, they claim to support competition, so long as its "fair" on a scale they create. But that's a bullshit compromise. What they really want is some sort of big brother mechanism to knock the guy at the top of the ladder down a few pegs and give what he's got to the people at the bottom. The problem is, their best devices for doing so just wind up fucking the people in the middle.

You don't need to look much further than their favored nests - govt and academia - to see what their ultimate goal, and hidden weaknesses, are. They (a) don't want to work, and (b) don't want to compete.

Christ, you're whiny today.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
I think the border between Mexico and the United State should be just like the border between Poland and Mexico .

Whoa.

eta: stp

[Adder]

Originally posted by Spanky
You were threatening to leave the board because of Ty's statements. That is what I was responding to. I didn't realize you were being sarcastic. People say I am too earnest and they may be right. But I enjoy reading both your posts and Ty's posts and didn't want you to leave nor do I want Ty to quit being a moderator. He puts a lot of work into it, it is a thankless task, and I am glad he is willing to fall on the sword for the rest of us. Sorry if I am getting to serious, but I just wanted to make sure the status quo would not change.

Years and years ago, back on the Infirmation board, people (Slave? Plated?) used to accuse me of being overly earnest.

Making no comment on my own prior postings, man, you definitely win out on that front.

(I never really saw how it was that bad of an insult.)

[Adder]

Originally posted by Spanky
Sorry - I mean Poland and Germany.

I have never crossed that one, what's it like?

I have, however, passed from Germany to the Czech Republic, and from the Czech Republic to Poland and back. None of those crossing seemed particularly difficult (and not at all for an American).

There was a decent lineup crossing in the other direction from CR to Germany, but that was in the early '90s. I suspect it has improved.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Spanky
Dershowitz responded that if you just look at the media that is not true. I have to agree with him.

Did he (and you) mean look at what the media puts out? Or look at who makes it up?

I heard Carter on NPR the other day, and thought there he was making a more nuanced point. Rather than the old anti-semetic screed about Jews controlling the media, I took him to be saying that there is very little in the media that portrays Palestinian viewpoint and experiences. There are some obvious reasons for that (that have nothing to do with the makeup of the media), but took Carter to be suggesting that average American has very little appreciation of the other side of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

Admittedly, I do not get the Outrage Channel, but I see very little in the media that is critical of Israel and pro-Palestinian.

Then again, I am probably either a terrorist or a communist (depending on the era of the person doing the labelling) for even thinking that there is more than one side to be seen.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Speaking of Joe Biden, the comments at his campaign blog are recockulous.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Right. Good analogy. For an idiot.


In any event, once again -- you are criticizing the people who do the inviting, but pretending that applies to anyone who happens to be at the event -- or who even supports the general position expressed at the event.


I don't think that every R who listens to Ollie North is a criminal, a traitor, or a supporter of arming Iran. I mean, some of them are -- after all, Bush has been Iran's best friend -- but not all of them.

North didnt' commit treason. Why do you defend the enemies of America and their facilitators? It amazes me that people like you actually claim to like this country.

[Aloha Mr. Learned Hand]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Speaking of Joe Biden, the comments at his campaign blog are recockulous.

Wow. The condolences I've seen posted by batshit crazy cat ladies to that fucking illiterate dead horse seem more grounded in reality than some of those.

So, is Biden going to claim he plagiarized the Obama "Is he brown, is he clean?" comments to try to get out of this one?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Adder
I have never crossed that one, what's it like?

I have, however, passed from Germany to the Czech Republic, and from the Czech Republic to Poland and back. None of those crossing seemed particularly difficult (and not at all for an American).

There was a decent lineup crossing in the other direction from CR to Germany, but that was in the early '90s. I suspect it has improved.

Now that both countrys are part of the EU people can flow back and forth. My point was that when Poland joined the EU and the border was opened up, the difference between Germany Per Capita Income and Polands was about the same as the US and Mexico.

As long as a Mexican can find a job here they should be able come here.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Adder
average American has very little appreciation of the other side of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

Well I'm sure the average American has little appreciation of how Palestinians really feel about Jews/Israelis and the ultimate goals Palestinians have (both revealed in polls) versus the idea that they'd be okay with living alongside Jews in a land called Palestine It seems to me most Americans think Israel "took" the land and changed the name from "Palestine" to "Israel." So if anything, I would think the lack of information works to favor "the other side" you mention. On a related note, I spoke the other day with a gal of Egyptian descent -- college kid. She had absolutely no idea of the existence of any UN Resolutions that would have established Palestine (and their rejection) or anything else other than "Jews and Arabs used to live there and then Jews put pressure on to make the land Israel and got their way and now the Palestinians are suffering." I have never seen U.S. mainstream media attempt to address the issues in any historically correct way.