A disgusting vat of filth that no self-respecting intelligent person would wade into.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Adder
Did he (and you) mean look at what the media puts out? Or look at who makes it up?

I heard Carter on NPR the other day, and thought there he was making a more nuanced point. Rather than the old anti-semetic screed about Jews controlling the media, I took him to be saying that there is very little in the media that portrays Palestinian viewpoint and experiences. There are some obvious reasons for that (that have nothing to do with the makeup of the media), but took Carter to be suggesting that average American has very little appreciation of the other side of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

Admittedly, I do not get the Outrage Channel, but I see very little in the media that is critical of Israel and pro-Palestinian.

Then again, I am probably either a terrorist or a communist (depending on the era of the person doing the labelling) for even thinking that there is more than one side to be seen.

I thought in the last war the media portrayal was pretty sympathetic towards Hezbolla. Israell seemed to catch a lot of flak. So even though it seems that there may be lot of Jews in the media, in my opinion, these same Jews, if they are influencing things, seem to have a bias against Israel.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Spanky
Now that both countrys are part of the EU people can flow back and forth. My point was that when Poland joined the EU and the border was opened up, the difference between Germany Per Capita Income and Polands was about the same as the US and Mexico.

As long as a Mexican can find a job here they should be able come here.

Ah. I see. You are even more receptive to immigration than I assumed.

btw, looks like Poland does not enter the Schengen zone until the end of this year.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Spanky
I thought in the last war the media portrayal was pretty sympathetic towards Hezbolla. Israell seemed to catch a lot of flak. So even though it seems that there may be lot of Jews in the media, in my opinion, these same Jews, if they are influencing things, seem to have a bias against Israel.

There was certainly a lot of skepticism at to whether Israel's response was appropriate or proportionate in the circumstances. I'm not sure I would charaterize that as sympathetic toward Hezbolla (I will stick with your spelling as I can't improve upon it). But you are right, the media coverage of this most recent conflict was definitely not biased toward Israel.

As for the makeup of the media, I have no idea what the demographics are, but I think they are irrelevant.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
But Slave was smearing the tens of thousands of protesters with the actions of one possible nutjob.

OK. Whoever didn't realize slave was doing this please chime in now. I would take issue with "smear" what with the major newspaper cite and all, but I realized he was extrapolating. anyone else, or did the rest of you think everyone there was in line to spit on the vet?

[SlaveNoMore]

Slothrop
But Slave was smearing the tens of thousands of protesters with the actions of one possible nutjob.

And you are deliberately smearing me by ignoring the other facts - facts not open to dispute - on the ground, and that you and I have talked about offline.

To name three:

Over three hundred protestors storm the Capitol and spray paint it.

Numerous folks - enough that it is audible on C-SPAN - cheer the mere mention of the name of John Walker Lindh, the convicted traitor.

The flags of terrorists organizations Hamas and Hezballah are waved among the crowd - and recorded by C-SPAN.

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Among a crowd estimated by the cops to be a little more than 20K, these three facts alone demonstrate that at least 15% of the crowd was a bunch of rabblerousers, or - yes Sidd - "douchebags"

[Adder]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
OK. Whoever didn't realize slave was doing this please chime in now. I would take issue with "smear" what with the major newspaper cite and all, but I realized he was extrapolating. anyone else, or did the rest of you think everyone there was in line to spit on the vet?

I am pretty sure the line started somewhere around 9th and Constitution. At least it did when I walked by.

[SlaveNoMore]

Spanky
I thought in the last war the media portrayal was pretty sympathetic towards Hezbolla. Israell seemed to catch a lot of flak.

Seemed?

Have you not heard of the Reuters "fauxtography" scandal or Green Helmet Guy? Did you notice the lack of photos of damage in Israel from all those Hezballah rockets?

The media was either a dupe, a complicit partner or both in publishing anti-Israeli propaganda throughout the entire conflict.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
And you are deliberately smearing me by ignoring the other facts - facts not open to dispute - on the ground, and that you and I have talked about offline.

To name three:

Over three hundred protestors storm the Capitol and spray paint it.

Numerous folks - enough that it is audible on C-SPAN - cheer the mere mention of the name of John Walker Lindh, the convicted traitor.

The flags of terrorists organizations Hamas and Hezballah are waved among the crowd - and recorded by C-SPAN.

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Among a crowd estimated by the cops to be a little more than 20K, these three facts alone demonstrate that at least 15% of the crowd was a bunch of rabblerousers, or - yes Sidd - "douchebags"

I'm not smearing you. If you linked to these facts ("facts"), I missed them. (Actually, I responded to you on the Lindh thing, but maybe you missed it -- I do not think you are thereby smearing me.) They don't appear in the NYT's coverage.

[SlaveNoMore]

It's Official: The Press Has Gone To War

Many on the Right have always been suspect of the MSM media when it came to reporting on the Iraq War. While the first official shot may have been CNN showing video of enemy snipers at work, it seems that open hostilities have been declared now that President Bush has begun the infamous surge.

Within the past two days, the New York Times violated a standard ethical constraint when it broadcast video of an American Marine being shot, also reporting his death without officially contacting his family. They are reported to have suffered greatly in the process of viewing it. If there's any justice, they will sue the Times for the little bit that it's still worth.

A CBS journalist / activist has gone the extra mile in attempting to draw attention to a gruesome al-Qaeda video she incorporated into a news report without attribution.

Still, back again to the New York Times - a victory over hundreds of insurgents wasn't reported as a victory at all, simply an episode that raised questions, as it wasn't accomplished easily enough - that according to the Times.

As silly as Jane Fonda taking back her apology, and now apparently back in Vietnam, Turner Broadcasting showed how seriously they take the war on terror, using that very thing for a publicity stunt that closed down a major city.

And still the AP refuses to accept responsibility for its earlier unethical and misleading reporting from Iraq.

Today's disgusting anti-military screed from the WaPo's Arkin should come as little surprise.

Perhaps emboldened by so many Democrats and some Republicans now betraying their very own earlier votes as they muster political opposition to victory in Iraq, clearly the MSM has decided to take the mask off of their own opposition to the Iraq War.

If we thought coverage has been biased up until now, buckle up - it's going to get worse.

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PS - I also linked to Arkin's screed so you can read the disgusting thing in its entirety.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
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PS - I also linked to Arkin's screed so you can read the disgusting thing in its entirety.

Conservatives on this board seem to think that it's very important that people see pictures of 9/11 victims and the contractors killed in Iraq, to remind everyone of what's at stake. Except that when the media shows us taking losses in the war on terror they're on the other side. The operating principle seems to be that non-conservative speech is defeatist and wrong.

Meanwhile, this paragraph seems apropos of the board lately:

• Part of the problem, as the libertarian activists who staged a Guns for Tots event in Harlem could tell you, is that groups of people with strong, shared ideological commitments tend to develop a species of political tone-deafness. When brandishing a “Bush=Hitler” placard makes fellow in-group members think you’re bold, it’s easy to forget that it makes most everyone else think you’re insane. This feeds into people’s strong pre-existing temptation to pigeonhole political positions in binary categories, which makes it easier to ignore them. Hence, marijuana decriminalization ends up being regarded as a “leftist” cause, even though libertarians, and the conservative National Review, also support it.

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[Adder]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
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PS - I also linked to Arkin's screed so you can read the disgusting thing in its entirety.

The Arkin piece is ridiculous.

As for the rest of it, do you have Cliff Notes for those of us who don't closely follow the latest cause for outrage? I have no idea what most of those are referring to.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
North didnt' commit treason. Why do you defend the enemies of America and their facilitators? It amazes me that people like you actually claim to like this country.

He gave arms to our sworn enemy (you know, the one that Bush has built up over the past few years).

OTOH, thanks for keeping my proposed thread title alive.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
or - yes Sidd - "douchebags"

You mean some of them tried to pray? Fuckers. Next they'll bring nailbombs.


(Note for the intelligence-impaired: This is not to defend the actions of idiots like those Slave saw. It sounds like they and Sparling, et al deserved each other.

This is meant to harken back to Slave's view that anyone -- or, more accurately, any muslim -- who politely wonders if he might use a clean room somewhere to pray, and acknowledges that it's no big deal if he can't -- is a douchebag, a traitor, a terrorist, blah blah blah.)

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't think you followed my posts. There certainly are some complete crazies out there on both sides -- including some real nutjobs who show up at the antiwar demonstrations* -- who are capable of spitting near someone. I wasn't defending the crazies. But Slave was smearing the tens of thousands of protesters with the actions of one possible nutjob.

I think he's actually trying to smear anyone who opposes the war with the actions of, as he puts it, 15% of a crowd of only 20k.

* In SF, there are hardcore anarchists who use the distracted attention of police during antiwar rallies to do crimes. These people are not protesting -- they're taking advantage of the situation. They would do the same thing if large numbers of Freepers marched in SF, implausible as that may be.

I've seen those people. And during the first Iraq war, the media coverage of any anti-war protest focused entirely on these people. So there'd be a march of 300,000 and you'd see five minutes of footage about 4 teenagers kicking over newspaper boxes.

Of course, I understand now that this was just a devious plot by the vast worldwide liberal media conspiracy to convince the world that it was something other than that.

[SlaveNoMore]

Sidd Finch
This is meant to harken back to Slave's view that anyone -- or, more accurately, any muslim -- who politely wonders if he might use a clean room somewhere to pray, and acknowledges that it's no big deal if he can't -- is a douchebag, a traitor, a terrorist, blah blah blah.)

Or more accurately, someone - in this case a Muslim - who uses a bully pulpit and a complicit PC media to try to get "separate; better-than-equal" treatment, a la the bullies from CAIR.

Yes, a douchebag.

And funny that the ACLU is nowhere to be seen in condemning requests like this.