Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[robustpuppy]

Gum cracking must be stopped!!!!

r(I mean, it's one thing at the movies/gym/sidewalk/metro, but outside my fucking office door is on a whole different plane)p

[bilmore]

Originally posted by leagleaze
Well, you don't know me very well now do you.

What, he forgot the "high people in high places" choice?:poke:

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by dtb

I don't think you do see. I'm not telling anyone what to do -- the law is. When the law was not this way -- I didn't go to bars. It's not like I'm hanging out in a bar every night now, but now I go. Non-smoking patrons are paying customers too. If you don't like the new rule, stay home.

Not to jump in, and perhaps more appropriate to the politics board, but I don't like it when any law creates a restriction as to whether I cannot now indulge in behavior in a place where traditionally such behavior has been allowed.

In fairness, slave's position may be similar, and while I would not presume to speak for him, I think these policy matters are much more appropriately addressed by the management of the establishment than by the local lawmakers. Besides, most establishments of a certain size have made arrangements to accomodate both groups without infringing (too much) on the rights of either one.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Gum cracking must be stopped!!!!

r(I mean, it's one thing at the movies/gym/sidewalk/metro, but outside my fucking office door is on a whole different plane)p

Your firm hires teenage cheerleaders?

spooky(don't tell Less)fish

[bilmore]

Originally posted by spookyfish
I think these policy matters are much more appropriately addressed by the management of the establishment than by the local lawmakers. Besides, most establishments of a certain size have made arrangements to accomodate both groups without infringing (too much) on the rights of either one.

There's a third group, though, that ends up being inadequately represented - the employees who have to inhale the stuff for eight to ten hours per day. I know that, at least where I am, that has been the main driving force behind attempts at bans.

I smoke like a fish ("smokeyfish"?) and would hate to sit in a non-smoking bar, but I do understand that I'm sitting in someone's workplace, and OSHA doesn't allow me to release much smaller concentrations of lesser bad things in the normal work setting, so the cig smoke ban doesn't strike me as an overreach.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by dtb
Well, we remember it differently -- but whatever. If it was only MM and GWNC, then it was, but I don't think so. I remember people saying they wouldn't drink while pregnant, but wouldn't feel the need to censure others. I do not remember a pile-on of "yeah, you're exactly right paigow" comments.

Having been on the receiving end of some of them, I do. Not so much of the "yeah, go Paigow" variety (because, after all, who says that?), but a lot of the "anyone who sets foot in a bar is irresponsible and damaging her baby, you don't care about children's welfare, you shouldn't be allowed to have children, if you have a glass of wine your child will be born with three heads" variety.

I only remember Multo and Brit voicing the "alcohol-based mouthwash isn't child abuse and mind your own business anyway" position offhand, but :shrug:.

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Now, this is a good reason more people should refuse to invite children to formal weddings.
BR(one did wear a superman outfit - but his parents sucessfully insisted on a tie and jacket, too)C

When I married the first hubby, he had 9 young nieces and nephews and most were undisciplined brats who, for whatever reason, loved me and always wanted to hug and touch me -- I carried tissues everywhere so that I could cleanse them beforehand and always loudly proclaimed about how damned messy they were. Anyway, I suggested to first hubby's mom that while the children would attend the wedding (semi-informal museum ceremony) and come to the reception to eat but that I would hire a babysitter to care for them at her home after dinner she fucking freaked and said she and hubby's dad just wouldn't come to the wedding if her grandchildren were not wanted. I explained that I thought their parents (and the other adults) might appreciate being child-free in the evening at the reception so they could better enjoy themselves. She was adamant and I finally had to give in to having the little shits there all night (among other changes she made to my once small and perfectly planned wedding to fit her taste, her quest list, etc. what a fucking wimp I was -- or maybe I just didn't give enough of a shit about it) -- right then and there I should have known that his family would drive me so batty that I would eventually flee and divorce him.

Thrashers(The best way to get married is the two of you in front of a judge without telling family until after -- and tell them to send cash in lieu of the gift they would have brought if a formal wedding had taken place)Fan

[lookingformarket]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I don't have kids either. But I'm intelligent enough to realize that kids have short attention spans, and that parents can temper such situations by making sure they have on hand plenty of toys, crayons and a cookie in an attempt to keep the brats preoccupied.

not7yS

Some of us even travel with crayons and toys when we don't have our brats with us so that we can attempt to amuse brats that don't belong to us.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Stuffing?

Listen, I don't claim to have all the answers. I am not even sure what the acceptable solution to the problem Str8 described is. I just know that his way-out-in-left-field proposed solution of abstinence from drunken-ness and highness in the presence of beautiful aggressive women-ness has shaken me to my very core. I mean, what kind of monster could come up with something like that?

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by bilmore
What, he forgot the "high people in high places" choice?:poke:

God I wish I was high right now.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by bilmore
There's a third group, though, that ends up being inadequately represented - the employees who have to inhale the stuff for eight to ten hours per day. I know that, at least where I am, that has been the main driving force behind attempts at bans.

I smoke like a fish ("smokeyfish"?) and would hate to sit in a non-smoking bar, but I do understand that I'm sitting in someone's workplace, and OSHA doesn't allow me to release much smaller concentrations of lesser bad things in the normal work setting, so the cig smoke ban doesn't strike me as an overreach.

Really? I find this surprising from a "free-market" guy like you. It seems to me that most of the bartenders/servers I know either smoke themselves or are aware, nay expect that it is one of the incidents of the job. I know it was that way when I used to tend bar. I don't think I've ever heard of the workers being the driving force behind such a thing, especially since it likely means they'll wind up with far fewer tips. Who drove the ban in NY?

spooky(I know, I know -- it's not the politics board)fish

FWIW, I drink like a hobbit.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by lookingformarket
Some of us even travel with crayons and toys when we don't have our brats with us so that we can attempt to amuse brats that don't belong to us.

I should start to carry duct tape for that purpose. I can say, "let's play Harry Houdini, the worlds' greatest escape artist!" and then you hogtie and gag them with the tape and deposit them in their seat and let them try to escape for the rest of the flight.

Good suggestion, thanks.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by ThrashersFan
. . . undisciplined brats who, for whatever reason, loved me and always wanted to hug and touch me -- I carried tissues everywhere so that I could cleanse them beforehand and always loudly proclaimed about how damned messy they were.

I find that, if you keep your kids in big zip-lock bags, they stay much cleaner.

Quieter, too.

[purse junkie]

I barred rugrats from the ceremony entirely and paid the reception space for an extra room and hired a couple of babysitters--filled the place with art supplies and Disney videos and bought 'em kids meals they'd like instead of letting them gack their way through grown-up hors d'oeuvres. Kids allowed into reception to dance and for cake and ice cream, immediately removed by babysitters when started to destabilize. Family complained but I had a blast--kids got to dress up and have fun, no adults bugged at all.

[robustpuppy]

The use of "nay" must be stopped!

I mean, it's one thing in Parliament or on NPR, but twice on the Fashion Board in one day is on a whole different plane.

Originally posted by spookyfish
It seems to me that most of the bartenders/servers I know either smoke themselves or are aware, nay expect that it is one of the incidents of the job.

Originally posted by ThrashersFan
That being said, he should, nay MUST, be respectful of other people when we are out and about.