Objectively intelligent.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

For an example of how the delivery would have been under Trump, look at DeSantis. I was able to get vaxed in NY months before my dad in FL. The systems for trying to get an appointment were night and day different. My dad couldn't get vaxed until feds took over and set up vax centers while DeSantis was getting his dick sucked by Publix .

My parents had to drive across Alligator Alley and back (twice) to get their shots in Florida. Some of their friends flew home to Indiana to get their shots and flew back.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

My parents had to drive across Alligator Alley and back (twice) to get their shots in Florida. Some of their friends flew home to Indiana to get their shots and flew back.

When I got mine at the Javits they had a table set up for MTA employees. I went over and explained that dad was in FL and asked whether as an MTA retiree could he come to Javits for a shot. They mentioned that flying up, getting a shot of JNJ, and flying back, was pretty standard practice among MTA retirees who had retired in FL. My dad was able to get one sooner, Moderna, though at a Fed-set up center.

DeSantis is a dipshit without the Trump experience at being a dipshit.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I've always suspected you of being a Sebby sock. So PLF is really just the fantasy life of a lonely ambulance chaser from Deer Hunter land. I'll bet you're even too fat to ride a bike.

I'd thought at times PLF could be your sock, but the wit's too much. I just can't see that voice emanating from a cross of Jon Cryer and George Costanza.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

What Sebby is trying to say is that the rest of us don't give enough credit to two-time loser, failed blogger and golf cheater Donald Trump.

Noted losers Adlai Stevenson and Thomas Dewey were the last two people to lose the popular vote twice. Renowned loser William Jennings Bryan did it three times in four elections! As a popular-vote loser, Trump is in pretty rare company.

No. I am saying the prior Administration deserves some credit for having sped up the process of developing vaccines. How much does that accrue to Trump, if at all? I don't know. But if you reread what I wrote, I did not use the word "Trump" in it.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

The huge mistake made by the prior administration wasn't about policy. It was turning the government pandemic response into a front in the culture war.

Agreed.

It was Trump's mistake, a function of his own schizophrenia about whether he wanted to run the government or foster grievances about it. Because he couldn't really control himself, he did both at different times. Whatever you think of the administration's policy, it was undoubtedly undercut by conservatives who railed against masks, virtue-signaled by superspreading, questioned the science, etc. If Trump had been able to resist his own impulses, maybe he could have gotten re-elected. He certainly cost lives, killed jobs and wasted money.

A friend whose parent worked for Nixon, Ford, and Bushes I and II said it best: If he'd adopted masks early on, he could have sold a million red ones with Trump or MAGA on them, and from that free advertising, and having done the smart and cautious thing, he'd probably be President today.

Trump's war on masks might be the greatest political strategy blunder in history.

Was the virus ever going to be "contained"? That's the wrong question. It's like not studying for the bar exam, failing it, and then saying, well, was I ever going to get a perfect score?

That's a facile analogy. A more honest one would be having an incredibly complex event that hasn't occurred in a century unfold, responding to it in a manner that was flawed in some regards, not flawed in others, and then being excoriated for everything you fucked up, regardless of whether it was deserved (which some of it very much is) or not (which some of it is). Oh, wait -- that's not an analogy.

Trump's politicizing the pandemic was inexcusable. His Administration's action in response to it, however, is a different thing. These things can and should be separated. I'd give the Administration a C+ for its handling. And I don't think an A is possible in a free country even approaching our size (see Germany). Trump I give an F, or an incomplete. Whatever good he might've done he more than offset with his politicizing of the crisis.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

When I got mine at the Javits they had a table set up for MTA employees. I went over and explained that dad was in FL and asked whether as an MTA retiree could he come to Javits for a shot. They mentioned that flying up, getting a shot of JNJ, and flying back, was pretty standard practice among MTA retirees who had retired in FL. My dad was able to get one sooner, Moderna, though at a Fed-set up center.

DeSantis is a dipshit without the Trump experience at being a dipshit.

The fist of the kid's grandparents to get a shot was my FIL from the VA (he had been asking his doc) but my parents in Florida weren't too far behind. But they had to get up early and jump on the computer to find it.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I'd thought at times PLF could be your sock, but the wit's too much. I just can't see that voice emanating from a cross of Jon Cryer and George Costanza.

Oh, man, what am I supposed to do here, say I'm rubber and you're glue or something?

I'm just floored by this witty comeback of yours.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

No. I am saying the prior Administration deserves some credit for having sped up the process of developing vaccines. How much does that accrue to Trump, if at all? I don't know. But if you reread what I wrote, I did not use the word "Trump" in it.

You say my post wasn't a close paraphrase of what you said?!?! Zounds!!!!

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

That's a facile analogy. A more honest one would be having an incredibly complex event that hasn't occurred in a century unfold, responding to it in a manner that was flawed in some regards, not flawed in others, and then being excoriated for everything you fucked up, regardless of whether it was deserved (which some of it very much is) or not (which some of it is). Oh, wait -- that's not an analogy.

Trump's politicizing the pandemic was inexcusable. His Administration's action in response to it, however, is a different thing. These things can and should be separated. I'd give the Administration a C+ for its handling. And I don't think an A is possible in a free country even approaching our size (see Germany). Trump I give an F, or an incomplete. Whatever good he might've done he more than offset with his politicizing of the crisis.

So you're saying, it's like when a two-time loser and failed blogger cheats at golf, and people say, well, he is a two-loser and he failed at blogger, and he cheats, but his score isn't that bad.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

So you're saying, it's like when a two-time loser and failed blogger cheats at golf, and people say, well, he is a two-loser and he failed at blogger, and he cheats, but his score isn't that bad.

Total votes do not count. Electoral votes do. The only recent two time loser is Hillary. I'm sorry that is true, but it is. Golf cheating? I was part of a team that won an important trial for a privately owned manufacturing company. The company had a retreat at Grove Park Inn in Asheville, and we were the speakers. The CEO/Owner, Sales Manager, my mentor who was lead and me, we played a round of golf. CEO shanked it off the tee bad on 4. He asked, "can I take a mulligan?" He looked at me. I said, "seems more a business question than legal, ask Sales Manager." Dick move by me, but he was a bit of a dick. He said it was fine. Point is, CEOs cheat at golf. Trump was mentally insane, willing to fuel race and other hate, and many other fucked things. Oh, and a few of the current posters tried to start a blog, but it failed. Maybe body shame him for being fat if you don't want to focus on his real flaws, instead of these other things?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Total votes do not count. Electoral votes do. The only recent two time loser is Hillary.

These two things do not go together.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Total votes do not count. Electoral votes do.

You know who doesn't think that way? Two-time loser, geriatric skin-care model and failed blogger Donald Trump. He really cares what people think about him, and it really bothers him that he lost two straight national popularity contests in four years. Being a loser bothers him so much that he has constructed an elaborate fantasy world in which he pretends that he actually won, just like he cheats at golf and pretends he won. But he knows he's a loser.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

You know who doesn't think that way? Two-time loser, geriatric skin-care model and failed blogger Donald Trump. He really cares what people think about him, and it really bothers him that he lost two straight national popularity contests in four years. Being a loser bothers him so much that he has constructed an elaborate fantasy world in which he pretends that he actually won, just like he cheats at golf and pretends he won. But he knows he's a loser.

Skin care model? Cite please?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Skin care model? Cite please?

Skin-painting model, sorry.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Skin-painting model, sorry.

Yeah, still need a cite?