Politics: A new beginning

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by sgtclub
If we cut and run for political purposes, I will have a hard time voting for Bush.

Something tells me you'll find the courage somewhere. See, the talking points will all have changed if that happens.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by bilmore
If it doesn't fit their needs, they shouldn't participate. I applaud people who chose not to spend my money simply to say they used the money up. I'm guessing that there are districts for whom it works much better. (But, again, only guessing.)

So the purpose of federal government is to collect taxes, and then impose regulatory requirements so onerous that no one wants the revenue back, thereby distributing federal dollars only to the states so poor they have to hand their nutsacks to an administration official in return for a handout?

This isn't my father's Republican party.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
I think he means Democratic Underground, which is perversely where Bilmore goes to ascertain what the Democratic mainstream is thinking. You and I simply take Bilmore at his word on the zeitgeist of the Patch cloth-coat crowd, and then turn to Slave for the lunatic angle.

I'm touched by the notion that Bush really wants to stay in Iraq longer to do the job right, but the views of people like those who post on that site are pressuring him to set a bogus earlier date, which he will then slide. That must be how Republicans imagine a bi-partisan foreign policy would work.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
I'm touched by the notion that Bush really wants to stay in Iraq longer to do the job right, but the views of people like those who post on that site are pressuring him to set a bogus earlier date, which he will then slide. That must be how Republicans imagine a bi-partisan foreign policy would work.

I may be wrong, but I don't believe there is a bi-partisan element required in occupying a foreign country. Rather, all decisions rest at the executive branch, subject to the powers of the purse. If congress wanted to have some say, it should have written that condition into the appropriations bill, no?

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I may be wrong, but I don't believe there is a bi-partisan element required in occupying a foreign country. Rather, all decisions rest at the executive branch, subject to the powers of the purse. If congress wanted to have some say, it should have written that condition into the appropriations bill, no?

Now that is a doctrine on which I'd like to see ScaliaThomas write about framer's intent.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I may be wrong, but I don't believe there is a bi-partisan element required in occupying a foreign country. Rather, all decisions rest at the executive branch, subject to the powers of the purse. If congress wanted to have some say, it should have written that condition into the appropriations bill, no?

Whether you are talking about cooperation between the parties or the branches of government, I suppose it is not constitutionally required. Which kinda makes one wonder why Bush can't just go ahead and set the deadline he wants to hand over power, rather than getting all conciliatory with his shrill critics at DU. Maybe the man is a uniter, not a divider. Or maybe he'd get out of Iraq tomorrow if it would assure his re-election.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
I think he means Democratic Underground, which is perversely where Bilmore goes to ascertain what the Democratic mainstream is thinking. You and I simply take Bilmore at his word on the zeitgeist of the Patch cloth-coat crowd, and then turn to Slave for the lunatic angle.

one of my partners has experimented there (DU) by taking tiny baby steps away from "Bush is hitler". You can't get far w/o being banned. He has burned through 8 email accounts with the experiment. But DU is sort of the flip to lgf or some others isn't it?

by the way, Bush won't leave early. Quit your fantasies. He didn't go thought all the shit he went through to pull out.

[SlaveNoMore]

Atticus Grinch
I think he means Democratic Underground, which is perversely where Bilmore goes to ascertain what the Democratic mainstream is thinking. You and I simply take Bilmore at his word on the zeitgeist of the Patch cloth-coat crowd, and then turn to Slave for the lunatic angle.

Whatever you say, Al Franken.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
one of my partners has experimented there (DU) by taking tiny baby steps away from "Bush is hitler". You can't get far w/o being banned. He has burned through 8 email accounts with the experiment.

There exists a "virtual world" in which Godwin's Law is not only suspended, but completely transposed? Fascinating. The mathematicians posited such a possibility, but we thought they were mad. Mad, I say! Now I see it is we who are mad!

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Whatever you say, Al Franken.

See, Club? An asshole, but he knows how to flatter a man.

There will be a quiz on Thursday.

[sgtclub]

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/env...p?story=484490

[Britain to be in iceage within DECADES]

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
There exists a "virtual world" in which Godwin's Law is not only suspended, but completely transposed? Fascinating. The mathematicians posited such a possibility, but we thought they were mad. Mad, I say! Now I see it is we who are mad!

A black hole is an object that is described by a spacetime geometry that is a solution to the Einstein equation. In string theory at large distance scales, solutions to the Einstein equation are only modified by very small corrections. .
string theories contain objects called p-branes and D-branes. Since a point can be thought of as a zero-brane, a natural generalization of a black hole is a black p-brane. And there are also BPS black p-branes.
But there's also a relationship between black p-branes and D-branes. At large values of the charge, spacetime geometry is a good description of of a black p-brane system. But when the charge is small, the system can be described by a bunch of weakly interacting D-branes.
This was a fantastic result for string theory. But can we now say that D-branes provide the fundamental quantum microstates of a black hole that underlie black hole thermodynamics? The D-brane calculation is only easily performed for the supersymmetric BPS black objects. Most black holes in the Universe probably have very little if any electric or magnetic charge, and are very far from being BPS objects. It's still a challenge to compute the black hole entropy for such an object using D-branes.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by sgtclub
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/env...p?story=484490

[Britain to be in iceage within DECADES]

Note to Club: Please check your sources for ideological purity before posting.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=485143

ETA: I thought you people were founding your own media. Please stop reading ours; we can't very well post coded messages to our deep cover operatives with you reading The Guardian and the like.

[sgtclub]

This is too bad. I was actually considering voting for him.

http://www.nationalreview.com/docume...0401261431.asp

Highlights:

"It is not possible to overstate the ominous implications for the Middle East if Saddam were to develop and successfully militarize and deploy potent biological weapons. We can all imagine the consequences. Extremely small quantities of several known biological weapons have the capability to exterminate the entire population of cities the size of Tel Aviv or Jerusalem. These could be delivered by ballistic missile, but they also could be delivered by much more pedestrian means; aerosol applicators on commercial trucks easily could suffice. If Saddam were to develop and then deploy usable atomic weapons, the same holds true."

"Saddam Hussein has continued to push international patience to the very edge."

"We must not presume that these conclusions automatically will be accepted by every one of our allies, some of which have different interests both in the region and elsewhere, or will be of the same degree of concern to them that they are to the U.S."

"Should the resolve of our allies wane to pursue this matter until an acceptable inspection process has been reinstituted...the United States must not lose its resolve to take action."

"Were its willingness to serve in these respects to diminish or vanish because of the ability of Saddam to brandish these weapons, then the ability of the United Nations or remnants of the gulf war coalition, or even the United States acting alone, to confront and halt Iraqi aggression would be gravely damaged."
"While our actions should be thoughtfully and carefully determined and structured, while we should always seek to use peaceful and diplomatic means to resolve serious problems before resorting to force, and while we should always seek to take significant international actions on a multilateral rather than a unilateral basis whenever that is possible, if in the final analysis we face what we truly believe to be a grave threat to the well-being of our Nation or the entire world and it cannot be removed peacefully, we must have the courage to do what we believe is right and wise."

"In my judgment, the Security Council should authorize a strong U.N. military response that will materially damage, if not totally destroy, as much as possible of the suspected infrastructure for developing and manufacturing weapons of mass destruction, as well as key military command and control nodes. Saddam Hussein should pay a grave price, in a currency that he understands and values, for his unacceptable behavior. This should not be a strike consisting only of a handful of cruise missiles hitting isolated targets primarily of presumed symbolic value."

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by sgtclub
This is too bad. I was actually considering voting for him.

http://www.nationalreview.com/docume...0401261431.asp

Let me get this straight.

So, before you knew of these excerpted earlier statements, you were thinking about voting for a candidate that has on the campaign trail been critical of the Administration's approach in Iraq?

Atticus, maybe Club has been reading the Independent (UK) for more profound reasons than we recognize. Club, meetings are at 9:30, but last time I learned you have to bring your own coffee.