A sad, constant bid for attention

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Perhaps a way to break Ty of boxed wine?

how many years after corrugation does he like to let it have?

[pony_trekker]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
our dog trainer taught this technique for behavior modification:

empty out a closet- the smaller the better, and no light. when the dog does something you want to stop- (this dog was biting right?). Scream "NO!" and drag him directly to the closet. Leave him there for 20 minutes. After 20 minutes let him out. Do not immediately start hugging him.

This stops anything pretty quickly.

I say put that fucker in a pillowcase and drop him in the middle of the interstate.

[patentparanyc]

Originally posted by pony_trekker
I say put that fucker in a pillowcase and drop him in the middle of the interstate.

Always so warm and fuzzy pony. heart warming and all that.

[dtb]

Photos available for those willing to provide a satisfactory reason to see them.

Spree: no ff nudity. there is a lot of bare skin, though.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by dtb
Photos available for those willing to provide a satisfactory reason to see them.

Spree: no ff nudity. there is a lot of bare skin, though.

I am developing new advertising technology, and need some sample photos.

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by nononono
Thanks, bnb - neither my ex- nor I want to put him down (though this is not his first incident, it is the first of this much ferocity - my leg is still black and blue where he bit), and I think it's on us to try what we can to make it work. I'm not sure it will ever be an easy peace, and I don't want the whole family to have to tiptoe around the scary dog, but I am somewhat hopeful.

Did you say in an earlier post that you are certain he is not a candidate for rescue? Have you even talked to all the rescue organizations that you can? My thought is that if there is another incident with you, you will have no choice but to put him down. But if there is a chance for rescue, that is, for placement in a household where it will be less likely that there will be another incident, because the new owner will be a more consistent alpha (bitch!) than you, then you may be doing both the dog and your family a better turn by exploring this option thoroughly now, rather than trying and possibly failing on your own.

And not to pass the buck, but if the dog fails in a new situation and has to be put down, at least the burden -- both of "tiptoeing" around the dog, and of making the difficult decision that he can't be rehabilitated --- wouldn't be on you.

While bnb's perseverance and achievement is really commendable, I don't think she had one little person, let alone two, underfoot when she and her ex made it work with the dog.

I once fostered an adorable lab puppy that I fully intended to adopt, but after about three formal training sessions I realized I would never be alpha enough to manage her. Even the trainer remarked that she was unusually aggressive for a lab and that she would require a lifetime of very assertive alpha leadership. I knew I couldn't pull it off, and I knew I wanted kids someday, so the rescue organization found a home for her with a childless couple with prior experience with a dog with aggressive tendencies. Now, maybe they were just blowing sunshine up my ass, both then and during subsequent updates, but I knew that the puppy had more hope with someone else than she did with me.

I am a huge dog lover and a big fan of rescue and am always saddened by people who give up good dogs without trying, or out of laziness or foolish expectations or lack of commitment, or because the dog got too big (wtf?), or because the owners had a baby and couldn't handle the dog anymore (double wtf?), or whatever bullshit reason that really means the person was too stupid to have gotten the dog in the first place, but you are not one of those people. The dog bit you. Seriously, is this the kind of stress to which you want to subject your family?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by nononono
Thanks, bnb - neither my ex- nor I want to put him down (though this is not his first incident, it is the first of this much ferocity - my leg is still black and blue where he bit), and I think it's on us to try what we can to make it work. I'm not sure it will ever be an easy peace, and I don't want the whole family to have to tiptoe around the scary dog, but I am somewhat hopeful.

How old are the kids?

Four and under: Christsakes, send that dog to the "farm" - one tail pulled at an ornery moment, and your child is in the E/R while you wait outside hoping either that the child survives or that the harm is not permanent

Teenagers: You've got a new project for your teen - dog training! Bonding with scary animals is better than most of what these kids do with their time.

Everything in-between: Judgment call.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by dtb
Photos available for those willing to provide a satisfactory reason to see them.

Spree: no ff nudity. there is a lot of bare skin, though.

How would you define "satisfactory reason"?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by dtb
Photos available for those willing to provide a satisfactory reason to see them.

Spree: no ff nudity. there is a lot of bare skin, though.

Photos of whom? The cast and crew of Top Secret!? But current day?

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by dtb
Photos available for those willing to provide a satisfactory reason to see them.

Spree: no ff nudity. there is a lot of bare skin, though.

I screwed up my back this weekend and I'm sitting here, in pain and really bored. Some pictures with a lot of bare skin will make me feel better.

You do believe in healing the sick, don't you?

[bold_n_brazen]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Did you say in an earlier post that you are certain he is not a candidate for rescue? Have you even talked to all the rescue organizations that you can? My thought is that if there is another incident with you, you will have no choice but to put him down. But if there is a chance for rescue, that is, for placement in a household where it will be less likely that there will be another incident, because the new owner will be a more consistent alpha (bitch!) than you, then you may be doing both the dog and your family a better turn by exploring this option thoroughly now, rather than trying and possibly failing on your own.

And not to pass the buck, but if the dog fails in a new situation and has to be put down, at least the burden -- both of "tiptoeing" around the dog, and of making the difficult decision that he can't be rehabilitated --- wouldn't be on you.

While bnb's perseverance and achievement is really commendable, I don't think she had one little person, let alone two, underfoot when she and her ex made it work with the dog.

I once fostered an adorable lab puppy that I fully intended to adopt, but after about three formal training sessions I realized I would never be alpha enough to manage her. Even the trainer remarked that she was unusually aggressive for a lab and that she would require a lifetime of very assertive alpha leadership. I knew I couldn't pull it off, and I knew I wanted kids someday, so the rescue organization found a home for her with a childless couple with prior experience with a dog with aggressive tendencies. Now, maybe they were just blowing sunshine up my ass, both then and during subsequent updates, but I knew that the puppy had more hope with someone else than she did with me.

I am a huge dog lover and a big fan of rescue and am always saddened by people who give up good dogs without trying, or out of laziness or foolish expectations or lack of commitment, or because the dog got too big (wtf?), or because the owners had a baby and couldn't handle the dog anymore (double wtf?), or whatever bullshit reason that really means the person was too stupid to have gotten the dog in the first place, but you are not one of those people. The dog bit you. Seriously, is this the kind of stress to which you want to subject your family?

You know, I hadn't really thought about this before, but no, the Brazenette was not in existence when all this happened.

And if she had been, Cindy likely wouldn't be lying here at my feet.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by nononono
Thanks, bnb - neither my ex- nor I want to put him down (though this is not his first incident, it is the first of this much ferocity - my leg is still black and blue where he bit), and I think it's on us to try what we can to make it work. I'm not sure it will ever be an easy peace, and I don't want the whole family to have to tiptoe around the scary dog, but I am somewhat hopeful.

We got rid of a cat for similar reasons -- too scary and dangerous around Sidd Jr. (He was a huge cat, with claws.)

[nononono]

I have not yet spoken to the rescue people about other alternatives or people who will take in special (aggressive) cases, but I do know that the main breed-specific rescue organization will not take a dog that has bitten. But a real conversation or list-serv questioning should be part of the process of this, I agree.

I am a pretty consistent bitch, indeed. But yes, I've let him annoy me with the "I want to go out" barks and give in, even when it is not time for it, and I've hollered and fussed when he's stolen food. I generally don't tangle with him - he has a particular habit of getting aggressive when sleepy and on a bed (blame for allowing that habit falls squarely on the ex-), and I just trick him to get him off rather than trying physically to move him. So there have already been adjustments to his temperament made - obviously, not completely successful efforts.

Honestly, I think he deserves some time with a trainer. I may end up being the one solely shouldering the burden for it, because my recalcitrant (as a general matter) ex- goes silent whenever this has been brought up. But I think the dog deserves it, or, as you say, to live with someone who will provide that for him.

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Did you say in an earlier post that you are certain he is not a candidate for rescue? Have you even talked to all the rescue organizations that you can? My thought is that if there is another incident with you, you will have no choice but to put him down. But if there is a chance for rescue, that is, for placement in a household where it will be less likely that there will be another incident, because the new owner will be a more consistent alpha (bitch!) than you, then you may be doing both the dog and your family a better turn by exploring this option thoroughly now, rather than trying and possibly failing on your own.

And not to pass the buck, but if the dog fails in a new situation and has to be put down, at least the burden -- both of "tiptoeing" around the dog, and of making the difficult decision that he can't be rehabilitated --- wouldn't be on you.

While bnb's perseverance and achievement is really commendable, I don't think she had one little person, let alone two, underfoot when she and her ex made it work with the dog.

I once fostered an adorable lab puppy that I fully intended to adopt, but after about three formal training sessions I realized I would never be alpha enough to manage her. Even the trainer remarked that she was unusually aggressive for a lab and that she would require a lifetime of very assertive alpha leadership. I knew I couldn't pull it off, and I knew I wanted kids someday, so the rescue organization found a home for her with a childless couple with prior experience with a dog with aggressive tendencies. Now, maybe they were just blowing sunshine up my ass, both then and during subsequent updates, but I knew that the puppy had more hope with someone else than she did with me.

I am a huge dog lover and a big fan of rescue and am always saddened by people who give up good dogs without trying, or out of laziness or foolish expectations or lack of commitment, or because the dog got too big (wtf?), or because the owners had a baby and couldn't handle the dog anymore (double wtf?), or whatever bullshit reason that really means the person was too stupid to have gotten the dog in the first place, but you are not one of those people. The dog bit you. Seriously, is this the kind of stress to which you want to subject your family?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by dtb
Photos available for those willing to provide a satisfactory reason to see them.

Spree: no ff nudity. there is a lot of bare skin, though.

I'm forming a fan club.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by nononono
I have not yet spoken to the rescue people about other alternatives or people who will take in special (aggressive) cases, but I do know that the main breed-specific rescue organization will not take a dog that has bitten. But a real conversation or list-serv questioning should be part of the process of this, I agree.

I am a pretty consistent bitch, indeed. But yes, I've let him annoy me with the "I want to go out" barks and give in, even when it is not time for it, and I've hollered and fussed when he's stolen food. I generally don't tangle with him - he has a particular habit of getting aggressive when sleepy and on a bed (blame for allowing that habit falls squarely on the ex-), and I just trick him to get him off rather than trying physically to move him. So there have already been adjustments to his temperament made - obviously, not completely successful efforts.

Honestly, I think he deserves some time with a trainer. I may end up being the one solely shouldering the burden for it, because my recalcitrant (as a general matter) ex- goes silent whenever this has been brought up. But I think the dog deserves it, or, as you say, to live with someone who will provide that for him.

Have you tried sending the ex to a trainer?