All Hank, all the time.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
2. How we going to catch the UK guys when they start up? They look clean!



or, god forbid, more John Walker Lindh's

Neither of these guys look like Arabs. So, other than contributing nothing to the conversation, do you have a point?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky


Why don't you just be quiet before you make yourself look even dumber.

New thread title?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Spanky
I don't even know where to begin with the stupidity of that statement.

Why don't you just be quiet before you make yourself look even dumber. There is not a single person on this board that agrees with your original assertion. Not one. Doesn't that tell you something? You find me one person on this board that doesn't think that, all things being equal, an Arab is more likely to hijack a plane than a Norwegian, then I will discuss this with the two of you.

That isn't my point and it never has been. Let me try and help you rap your simple little brain around why your position is fallacious with a similarly invalid syllogism:

1. I like sushi.

2. Japanese frequently eat sushi.

3. Therefore, I am Japanese.

And at this point, I think I have finished discussing things with you. I'll leave you to have your little fights with everybody else.

[Penske_Account]

this thing poppin tonight or what?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by taxwonk
That isn't my point and it never has been. Let me try and help you rap your simple little brain around why your position is fallacious with a similarly invalid syllogism:

1. I like sushi.

2. Japanese frequently eat sushi.

3. Therefore, I am Japanese.

And at this point, I think I have finished discussing things with you. I'll leave you to have your little fights with everybody else.

and in the 40s the Japanese INVENTED crashing airplanes into shit on purpose, so therefore we should be profiling aging Jews also.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Neither of these guys look like Arabs. So, other than contributing nothing to the conversation, do you have a point?

I'm on your side T. Neither of these guys looks suspicious. I would let both onto a plane with no particular scrutiny.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
No he is being disengenuous because no one knows what happend to the WMDS, no one knows if they were still there when Bush entered office, and no one knows how effective Operation Desert Fox was.

A lot of people know more than you do, but if you don't bother to try to learn about it then you can remain in blissful ignorance. What do you think David Kay was doing?

Some of us??? Like your opinion matters.

If you want your money back, talk to RT.

And how could you guys be so sure when Clinton wasn't sure.

Because it's six years later, and in the interim we've occupied Iraq.

And we don't know if Saddam disposed of them when he realized Bush was serious. But in the end we just don't know.

You certainly don't. I believe the military and intelligence knows more than you do.

Are these really that damning. We couldn't find BW mobile labs. Tell me something I don't know. Desert Storm, Fox, UN Sanctions and UN inspections reduced their ability to produce CWs. So it took all four of those things (not just Desert Fox) to prevent them from being able to produce anymore (that is not eliminate just produce more) CWs (that is not WMDs just CWs.). After 98 Saddam gave up trying to build a bomb but still held on to the technology in case later they decided to fire up the program again.

Yes. And Desert Fox was in 1998, so you could say it was the straw that broke the camel's back, if you wanted to use that kind of metaphor. A RB who scores from 1 yard out gets a touchdown, even if he doesn't claim credit for the drive down the field.

Doesn't seem that damning to me. Doesn't seem to back up your Washington Post reporter. And BTW - all my quotes by him were after he left the administration.

You have yet to post a single citation to any sort of evidence that controverts or undermines anything Ricks says. Nor can you point to any reason that he should be considered biased, other than that he -- like much of the rest of the country -- thinks that Iraq is a clusterfuck.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I think there are a bunch of kurds and Shites and WW1 soldiers and Iranian soldiers that would argue with you here- cept they're all dead

I said something like that in the post to you yesterday or the day before, but you never responded. Off my corner, ho.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I said something like that in the post to you yesterday or the day before, but you never responded. Off my corner, ho.

sooo, can I cite your post as evidence mine is true?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by taxwonk
That isn't my point and it never has been.

That was exactly your point as evidenced below.



You said:

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Originally posted by taxwonk
I think that statistic is utterly irrelevant compared to the fact that there are far more Arabs don't blow up planes (hi Hank!) than Arabs that do. As a consequence, to suggest that Arabs are more likely, because they are Arabs, to be terrorists, is to act upon prejudice and not reason.
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I said:

Of course there are more Arabs that don't blow up planes than do. Otherwise there wouldn't be any planes left. But, like I said, more Arabs blow up planes per capita, than Norwegians. So it is a fact, all other factors being equal, that an Arab is more likely to blow up a plane than a Frenchman. Just like it is a fact that you are I are more likely to be serial killers than an African American women.

You said:

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Originally posted by taxwonk
You're forgetting two of the most basic rules of statistics. First, in order for statistics to have any meaning, there has to be a correlative relation between the things being measured. Your basic fallacy is that there is a correlation between being Arab and blowing up planes. That is not true.
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I said:

I don't know how to respond to this. You are saying black is white. Is there anyone else on this board that thinks there is no "correlative relation" between being Arab and blowing up airplanes?


Both you are statements were incredibly stupid, and because they were, no on the board has supported them. No one has contested mine. As I said, find one person that agrees with you and we can start the discussion again. If not one person backs you up, I think it is safe to assume that your statements were incredibly stupid. Or could it be that you are under the delusion thant you understand statistics (and I am talking the most basic concepts) better than everyone else on this board?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
A lot of people know more than you do, but if you don't bother to try to learn about it then you can remain in blissful ignorance. What do you think David Kay was doing?

It only helps if you learn from people that actually know themselves.

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If you want your money back, talk to RT.

I am sorry you are right. The fact that the administration didn't listen to you is obscene. You shouldn't be incensed that they didn't acknowledge that you were an expert and at least listen to you before going in.

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Because it's six years later, and in the interim we've occupied Iraq.

If Clinton thought he had weapons when he left office, then no one knew BEFORE the invasion that there were no weapons. And that includes the group of experts you include yourself in.

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You certainly don't. I believe the military and intelligence knows more than you do.

Of course. So what you are implying, that you knew more or know more than the military and intelligence?

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Yes. And Desert Fox was in 1998, so you could say it was the straw that broke the camel's back, if you wanted to use that kind of metaphor. A RB who scores from 1 yard out gets a touchdown, even if he doesn't claim credit for the drive down the field.

You could say, but you would be assuming facts not in evidence. The straw that broke the camels back could have been Bush resolve. Once Saddam realized W. was coming in he got rid of them. My point is we don't know.

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You have yet to post a single citation to any sort of evidence that controverts or undermines anything Ricks says. Nor can you point to any reason that he should be considered biased, other than that he -- like much of the rest of the country -- thinks that Iraq is a clusterfuck.

Why do I care about Rick? I have just undermined everything you have said and that is all that matters.

[sgtclub]

Spanky v. Wonk
Spanky v. Ty

Looks like someone is back from hiatus with a vengence!

[Cletus Miller]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
and in the 40s the Japanese INVENTED crashing airplanes into shit on purpose, so therefore we should be profiling aging Jews also.

Huh? WWII era Japanese were predominately Jewish?

[Spanky]

If people in the military are so convinced that the administration has screwed up in Iraq, that Iraq is a senseless war, and we have no chance of succeeding - why are they all reenlisting.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...08-30-16-43-14

[Cletus Miller]

Originally posted by Spanky
If people in the military are so convinced that the administration has screwed up in Iraq, that Iraq is a senseless war, and we have no chance of succeeding - why are they all reenlisting.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...08-30-16-43-14

Ignoring that the complaints are apparently coming mostly from senior officers, because the governement is paying them to reenlist? From the article:

"So far this year, the Army has doled out an average bonus of $14,000, to eligible soldiers, for a total of $610 million in extra payments.

'The bonuses have a lot to do with it, along with a feeling of accomplishment that comes with doing their mission,' said Army spokesman Henry Minitrez."