Politics: J'accuse!

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by bilmore
Curious. Are you asserting that Islam is equivalent to Christianity in its treatment of women?

It is certainly true that some Christian sects treat women more poorly than some branches of Islam. Whether on average the same is true is a more intricate question, and I can easily concede the answer is probably that Christianity on a whole treats women better. But I'm not sure that answer is very helpful.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
Or did you mean when Bush hands over the government to Kerry?

I thought Hillary was generally regarded to be your candidate in 2008?

Is Kerry going to re-run?

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
Speaking of which, it's been a couple of days now, and my marriage hasn't suffered yet from what's been happening in Massachusetts.

That's because you're only seeing part of the elephant.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
And yet mandating that women cover their TITS! is not? Cultural relativism is fun when we pretend it's objective truth.

You are confusing culture with relgion.

But I never said that Christianity is free from sexism/misogyny. I said just the opposite. It is, however, a matter of degree.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by baltassoc
It is certainly true that some Christian sects treat women more poorly than some branches of Islam. Whether on average the same is true is a more intricate question, and I can easily concede the answer is probably that Christianity on a whole treats women better. But I'm not sure that answer is very helpful.

I'm presuming that analysis, which is appropriate, is not undertaken in a vacuum, but rather in an historical and social context. The poor treatment of fundamentalist Islam of women should be measured against non-Islamic treatment of women in the same culture --- take sub-Saharan Africa, for example. Similarly, the poor treatment of women in Christianity should be measured against the non-Christian treatment of women in the same culture --- take Arkansas, for example.

The question is whether the religion is an improvement over secularism in each religion's region. The answer in the case of fundamentalist Islam is more often "yes" than it is in the case of fundamentalist Christianity, because Christianity predominates in regions in which secularism coincides with economic prosperity, freedom of travel, and freedom of marriage, three cultural contexts that benefit secular women but are denied to women in the same region for religious reasons.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Not Me
You are confusing culture with relgion.

That's a laugh.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I thought Hillary was generally regarded to be your candidate in 2008?

JFC, would you guys give this up? The only people who "generally regard" Hillary to be the likely Dem candidate in 2008 (assuming a Kerry defeat in 2004) are die-hard Republicans who fantasize about running an opponent against her.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Not Me
You are confusing culture with relgion.

It didn't seem to bother you when Gene Simmons did that.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by baltassoc
JFC, would you guys give this up? The only people who "generally regard" Hillary to be the likely Dem candidate in 2008 (assuming a Kerry defeat in 2004) are die-hard Republicans who fantasize about running an opponent against her.

You're forgetting the Clintons. Unless they've flipped sides.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
That's because you're only seeing part of the elephant.

I don't see many elephants at all out here. The newspaper tells me this morning that Gavin Newsome has an 86% approval rating.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Bill Kristol.

You are late to the party. Bill Kristol is a principled guy who has good ideas and articulates them well.

He is a frequent commentator on Fox News Sunday and sometimes appears on Brit Hume's Special Report. If you like Bill Kristol, you would like Brit Hume, too.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by baltassoc
JFC, would you guys give this up? The only people who "generally regard" Hillary to be the likely Dem candidate in 2008 (assuming a Kerry defeat in 2004) are die-hard Republicans who fantasize about running an opponent against her.

I just want to get back to having a President who's fatter than me.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't see many elephants at all out here. The newspaper tells me this morning that Gavin Newsome has an 86% approval rating.

does your wife know about your relationship with notme?

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
It didn't seem to bother you when Gene Simmons did that.

When I posted that article about Gene Simmons, it wasn't to endorse what he said, it was an FYI posting.

Simmons, however, did not confuse culture with religion. Those hateful practices of fundamentalist muslims are religious practices. They claim their god tells them to do this and they look to the Koran for guidance on these issues.

Have you ever read the Koran?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Not Me
If you like Bill Kristol, you would like Brit Hume, too.

Although Brit Hume pretends to be a journalist, it is telling that you make this comparison.