Politics: Where we struggle to kneel in the muck.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bilmore
Fucking pay attention. Then come back and bitch. Sheesh.

Read. That's all I can say.

Who invented the "Cold War = WWIII, War on Terror = WWIV" meme? It has found a fertile environment in conservative brains recently and is replicating itself at epidemic rates.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Adder
Another hypothetical then. Do you believe that we can eliminate (or substantially reduce) crime by locking up all of the "bad guys?"

Yes.

You sound like all of those lib studies that decry a large prison population even as crime decreases.

"It makes no sense!"

(ETA) - Yes, it does.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Who invented the "Cold War = WWIII, War on Terror = WWIV" meme? It has found a fertile environment in conservative brains recently and is replicating itself at epidemic rates.

You, of all the Josh-personas in the world, should not be complaining of memes replicating. It's your strength.

[Adder]

Originally posted by bilmore
Not enough.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/A11802017_1.pdf

I have only begun to read this, but one has to begin with the question of just how seriously can you really take someone who calls the Cold War "World War II"?

Ah.. who am I kidding. How can I take any neo-con seriously?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Adder
Ah.. who am I kidding. How can I take any neo-con seriously?

Sorry. I forgot you hate Jews.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bilmore
You, of all the Josh-personas in the world, should not be complaining of memes replicating. It's your strength.

For someone giving lectures on reading comprehension, or whatever it is you're telling Adder, you're doing a poor job of reading my question. I just asked where it came from. I'm careful to cite Josh when I quote Josh, and so on. That meme was nowhere not long ago, and now it's everywhere. What's up with that?

[Adder]

Originally posted by bilmore
Do you not understand that other people can have intellectual processes too? That "Islamicist" can have an exact meaning?

Do you not understand that the world's supply of "Islamicists" is not finite? And that the line between Muslim and Islamicist is not written in stone?

[Adder]

Originally posted by bilmore
Yes.

And there we have the fundamental disagreement. If you think you can kill your way out of this sort of conflict, we fundamentally disagree.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Adder
Do you not understand that the world's supply of "Islamicists" is not finite? And that the line between Muslim and Islamicist is not written in stone?

Nor is the line between intellect and passion, yet you expect us to maintain our own positions, right?

If they can switch lines so readily, well, then, we'll deal with them. I'm guessing, though, that they recognize that line rather quickly once we kill most on the other side.

Really, though, you've become quite the racist since you left. Allah's word doesn't THAT easily lend itself to indicriminate killing. It's quite the pacifist theology. Yet, you say that one can easily be led from one to another? Pretty low opinion of Islam, dontcha think?

[Adder]

Originally posted by bilmore
Sorry. I forgot you hate Jews.

Okay, this time I have no idea what you are saying.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Adder
If you think you can kill your way out of this sort of conflict, we fundamentally disagree.

Yes, we do.

Atticus hit this on the head, at one point. (Discerning asshole, that.) Once you go one place involuntarily, you can go many more places.

None o them are pretty. But, they are newly viable.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Adder
Okay, this time I have no idea what you are saying.

What do you think "neocon" means?

ETA - It's a conservative viewpoint that accepts the role, and the morality, of Israel, as a good thing.

ETA again - ther's my flight.

[Adder]

Originally posted by bilmore
If they can switch lines so readily, well, then, we'll deal with them. I'm guessing, though, that they recognize that line rather quickly once we kill most on the other side.

Good luck on killing most on the other side. I an amazed you really think you can kill faster than you create them. Strange how you can't tell who is about to blow themselves up at a disco by just looking at them. Maybe it would be better to just kill whole town and villages so that none of them get any ideas.

Really, though, you've become quite the racist since you left. Allah's word doesn't THAT easily lend itself to indicriminate killing. It's quite the pacifist theology. Yet, you say that one can easily be led from one to another? Pretty low opinion of Islam, dontcha think?

Has almost nothing to do with Islam, and almost everything to do with group indentification, coupled with economic and power realities.

[SlaveNoMore]

Adder
I have only begun to read this, but one has to begin with the question of just how seriously can you really take someone who calls the Cold War "World War II"?

How serious should you take someone that doesn't know the difference between a "II" and a "III"?

Ah.. who am I kidding. How can I take any neo-con seriously?

Norm Podhoretz is one of the most important conservative thinkers of our era. Merely lumping him onto the "neo-con" pile is ignorant, to say the least.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Adder Has almost nothing to do with Islam, and almost everything to do with group indentification, coupled with economic and power realities.

Cool. That solves the PC problem, don't it?

(Okay, really gotta go. Boarding. Nice to see ya again!)