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[sgtclub]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
If you would please, PLEASE acknowledge that in light of what Ty was saying -- he was not talking about a "this is how it is" but in a "this is how it ought to be, logically, because the person no longer exists" -- your statement is incredibly stupid and misguided.

Or maybe you were making a funny?

Ty made a statement - we have no rights when we die. My post refutes this. What's the issue?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by dtb
club, please settle a bet: was the above a typo?

Yes, meant glean, as in to collect.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Ty made a statement - we have no rights when we die. My post refutes this. What's the issue?

Motherfucker, I lost the bet. I was thinking maybe you hadn't had your coffee yet.

It's the people who inherit under the will whose rights are protected, for the most part. And, I still think that Ty was speaking more in a "under natural law" type thingy. Wills are you know like a social construct type thing stuff.

I will go back to respecting the ignore function. It is not your fault -- I was tempted into clicking. My mistake.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Yes, meant glean, as in to collect.

Whoops, I guess I won the battle (it was a typo) but lost the war (you are a moron; see above).

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Ty made a statement - we have no rights when we die. My post refutes this. What's the issue?

FWIW, we still have HIPAA privacy rights when we die. Though no one really understands them.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
FWIW, we still have HIPAA privacy rights when we die. Though no one really understands them.

Wait, I thought there wasn't a private right of action? So, the privacy of information about us remains, but it doesn't really belong to us.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Motherfucker, I lost the bet. I was thinking maybe you hadn't had your coffee yet.

It's the people who inherit under the will whose rights are protected, for the most part. And, I still think that Ty was speaking more in a "under natural law" type thingy. Wills are you know like a social construct type thing stuff.

I will go back to respecting the ignore function. It is not your fault -- I was tempted into clicking. My mistake.

Funny, you can't see the connection, but I'm a moron. Go figure.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Wait, I thought there wasn't a private right of action? So, the privacy of information about us remains, but it doesn't really belong to us.

There isn't a private right of action when we're alive either, but we still have HIPAA privacy rights. They are simply enforced by Office of Civil Rights of the Department of Health and Human Services and/or the Department of Justice.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
There isn't a private right of action when we're alive either, but we still have HIPAA privacy rights. They are simply enforced by Office of Civil Rights of the Department of Health and Human Services and/or the Department of Justice.

What good is a right if I can't do anything with it? It's just a big gubmint plot to keep all the info for themselves so that they can implant mind control chips in all of us.

There should be a free market in that information. Businesses can make a lot of money off our medical records . . . Why shouldn't the entity that compiled the information (hospital, doctor, clinic) be able to sell it??????

Seriously, I think that to an extent the "right" is not that much. And a dead person can't enforce the right.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
There isn't a private right of action when we're alive either, but we still have HIPAA privacy rights. They are simply enforced by Office of Civil Rights of the Department of Health and Human Services and/or the Department of Justice.

Well, that's comforting. Thank goodness for the Justice League of Ameri...uh, you mean it's not Aquaman and Wonder Woman? Well, shoot.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
you might want to explore the differences when you get a minute if you are going to talk about tax policy.

You might want to explore the differences between a question mark and a period (or exclamation point). When you get a minute.

Interchangeable or not, the distinction is fairly irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Does someone pay taxes upon a person's death? While I'm sure that realization at death and again upon subsequent transfer can matter to the ultimate gain recognized, is it really an important issue to anyone other than tax junkies?

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
There isn't a private right of action when we're alive either, but we still have HIPAA privacy rights. They are simply enforced by Office of Civil Rights of the Department of Health and Human Services and/or the Department of Justice.

The fact that there is no private right of action obscures somewhat the fact that there are additional theoretical beneficiaries to keeping medical information private post-mortem. Like the kids of somebody who just died of some genetic disease, should they ever want to obtain insurance coverage. Or the kids of someone who just died from a scandalous disease, like syphilis (all the more scandellous in this day and age because it can be wiped out with a Cipro regime).

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
What good is a right if I can't do anything with it? It's just a big gubmint plot to keep all the info for themselves so that they can implant mind control chips in all of us.

There should be a free market in that information. Businesses can make a lot of money off our medical records . . . Why shouldn't the entity that compiled the information (hospital, doctor, clinic) be able to sell it??????

Seriously, I think that to an extent the "right" is not that much. And a dead person can't enforce the right.

I think there are lots of rights post-death, just not an ability to enjoy or enforce them. But, when I buy that burial plot, I believe it is my right to lie there forever (well, until the maggots, etc. are done) and to have the damn stone sit there and someone pull weeds every now and then. Some rights die with me, but others don't.

But rights of any sort are just a social construct. The 12th century peasant would have no concept of "owning" property, merely of having rights and obligations as a result of his station, including rights and obligations in land that his children would later take on. So those rights I think I've got after death are really a present right I have while still alive.

Too bad death isn't just a social construct.

[sgtclub]

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[sgtclub]

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