Still Hating America.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
RiNOs.

And FTR, I have despised both of them since at least the "read my lips" line, although I had a brief feeling of gratitude for Baker in helping see the will of electorate appropriately consitutionally realised in 2000.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
RiNOs.

Maybe my math is off (Hi GGG!), but it seems that by your and slave's count, a majority of the republican party is now RiNOs.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
What are you trying to argue here?

Yes Davis talked about it but it was his way of reaching towards the center. To show he was not completely beholden to the teachers Unions.

Yes - not all Democrats are beholden to the teachers union, just like all Republicans are not beholden to the NRA. But that is generally the trend.

When the Governator comes out for gun control, or when a Republican legislator pushes for gun control does that mean that the NRA does not have a strong influence in the Republican Party?

Where to you think the phrase "teaching to the test" comes from? Republicans? The liberals on this board (and liberals everywhere) constantly say that testing is a waste of money and the money could be better used other places (I think Adder said that yesterday) and use the dumbest mantra of time over and over "teaching to the test". Those same arguments were used against the exit exam. Where do you think that opposition was coming from? Yes the Republicans caused problems, but that was because they wanted more tests and stronger tests.

First, when I said that we did not have enough testing, I was accused of oversimplifying, and that testing really is not that much of a cure all. Plus I am accused of not backing up by argument with any facts. Once I point to the exit exam, then you tell me "well that was really a Democrat thing". Does that mean it doesn't work, or does that mean it is not a good argument for testing?

My original thesis was that there are three obvious things that need to be done that will help improve our education system. 1) Testing - the exit exam proves that testing helps. 2) The end of social promotion - I think adder even admitted that the idea is waning in popularity. You have argued that at one time there were strong arguments but you have never supported its continued use 3) Getting of tenure and turning to a merit system for teaching- the only argument against this has been that the stats I am using are bad. In addition, it has been argued that teachers don't really have tenure (or much job protection), which I have shown they clearly do in California, and the example of Los Angeles.

I have argued that the teachers Union and their Democrat allies stand in the way of these three things. Are you saying the ending of the three things: no testing, social promotion, teacher tenure will not help? Are you saying these things are really not a problem and I have not shown evidence that they are? Are you saying that the teachers unions do not fight these things? Or are you arguing that the Teachers union strongest support base is not the Democrats? I will make it simple.

1) Testing

a) Do you think more testing does not help?
b) Do you think the exit exam improved education in California?
c) Do you think the teachers unions are not fighting against more testing?


2) Social promotion

a) Do you thing ending social promotion will not help education in California?
b) Do you think social promotion does not exist anymore in California?
c) Do you think the teachers unions are not fighting the discontinuing of social promotion?

3) End of tenure and getting rid of bad eggs

a) Do you think I am wrong when I say it is hard to get rid of teachers who are bad?
b) Do you think my evidence supporting the idea that you can't get rid of incompetent teachers in LA Unified and elsewhere is faulty?
c) Do you think the existence of bad teachers is not a problem?
d) Do you think the teachers are not fighting to preserve tenure and are making it more difficult to fire bad teachers?

4) Do you not think that the teachers union does not have a strong influence over the Democrat party in California?

When talking about the failure of public education in the US, using the word "democrats" to properly assess the blame is synonmous with using the words "teacher's unions".

Of course all of the effette liberal slobs here who argue with you don't go into the public schools in the inner city to see first hand the damage they have wreaked nor do they send their pampered little brats to these institutions of marganalisation that they doom generations of disenfranchised inner city families too.

No responsibility, ever. the motto of the Demo party.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
We've been trying diplomacy with Iran for 30 years?

Other than Reagan arming them, what are you referring to?

Not nuking them. Its the diplomacy of restraint.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
Its not like they have got any other options. Or is there an option I have not thought of?

Massive first strike with nukes.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Maybe my math is off (Hi GGG!), but it seems that by your and slave's count, a majority of the republican party is now RiNOs.

Not the real Americans in the heartland. Bush Country. Good solid red blooded patriotic god fearing gun toting Americans. Like me.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Maybe my math is off (Hi GGG!), but it seems that by your and slave's count, a majority of the republican party is now RiNOs.

Hi Burger!

Isn't ideological purity a bitch? What happens to the R's if the RiNOs give up the Name, too?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Hi Burger!

Isn't ideological purity a bitch? What happens to the R's if the RiNOs give up the Name, too?

the concept of having principles and righteous moral values are completely foreign to you libs, yes?

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Hi Burger!

Isn't ideological purity a bitch? What happens to the R's if the RiNOs give up the Name, too?

permanent minority status.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
permanent minority status.

Karl Rove is a genius!

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Karl Rove is a genius!

People are all-too-quick to declare election results as watershed moments. Two years ago, Rs were declaring the Democratic party dead, dead, dead. A permanent minority. Blah blah blah. And despite all the gerrymandering and other tactics, this was proven wrong, and very very quickly.

Dems should be a lot more careful. Power itself instills arrogance. The belief that you have absolute power makes the arrogance that much deadlier.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
People are all-too-quick to declare election results as watershed moments. Two years ago, Rs were declaring the Democratic party dead, dead, dead. A permanent minority. Blah blah blah. And despite all the gerrymandering and other tactics, this was proven wrong, and very very quickly.

Dems should be a lot more careful. Power itself instills arrogance. The belief that you have absolute power makes the arrogance that much deadlier.

The dig was at Rove's tactics and strategy, which gave us the nice little "RiNO" epitaph. I suspect the current approach of playing to the base and ridiculing the rest has a limited lifespan -- as soon as the the Presidential Primary is over, the Rs will move to the center instead of playing to their base.

But, hopefully, between now and then the Slaves and Penskes of the world, working with the Buchanans and Roves of the world, will make that critical move very difficult.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy


But, hopefully, between now and then the Slaves and Penskes of the world, working with the Buchanans and Roves of the world, will make that critical move very difficult.

So, how long can Giuliani stay uncommited? Can he make it to super tuesday before he has to kowtow to the right?

[Oliver_Wendell_Ramone]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Power itself instills arrogance. The belief that you have absolute power makes the arrogance that much deadlier.

Whoa. Wise martial arts dude, indeed. I don't see Slave snatching the pebble from your hand any time soon.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
Whoa. Wise martial arts dude, indeed. I don't see Slave snatching the pebble from your hand any time soon.

I hear a strange buzzing noise.


I'm not talking to you, since apparently I'm not good enough to help in the charitable endeavors you proposed on the FB.