Making Baby Jesus Cry

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Well, I was talking to Hank, not you. Be that as it may, one virtue of the Hussein regime was the relative stability it brought to the area, inc. as a counterweight to Iran. Another is that Hussein was not sympathetic to Islamists. While what comes will probably be an improvement as to human rights, it could be a big step backwards on both of those fronts.

Stability to the area? Are you kidding? Tell that to the Kuwaitis and Iranians. Counterweight to Iran - what the hell does that mean? That is an empty statment that sounds like diplomatic language but really has no meaning.

Saddam Hussein may not have liked Islamists in his country but he worked with them in other countrys. Just Like Assad's father did.

Improvement in Human rights. Don't you agree that such an improvement justifies many things. In other words, human rights might be a higher priority than some of this other stuff?

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Spanky
Stability to the area? Are you kidding? Tell that to the Kuwaitis and Iranians. Counterweight to Iran - what the hell does that mean? That is an empty statment that sounds like diplomatic language but really has no meaning.

Ask your friends who worked for Reagan in the 1980s what that meant back then. I think it means "keep the Persians from exporting the Islamic Revolution to the rest of the oil, uh, I mean Mideast, in much the same way that the Poles of the 1920s under a dictatorial general kept the Bolshies out of Weimar Germany."

Originally posted by Spanky
Saddam Hussein may not have liked Islamists in his country but he worked with them in other countrys. Just Like Assad's father did.

Are you talking about the West Bank? Our friends are doing that, too. And in Pakistan and sub-saharan Africa and Indonesia and . . . oh, but the House of Saud is much better than the alternative. (and I agree with you on that, not that that matters)

Originally posted by Spanky
Improvement in Human rights. Don't you agree that such an improvement justifies many things. In other words, human rights might be a higher priority than some of this other stuff?

Yup. But, speaking of human rights, ask Iraqi women how they feel about the proposed changes in their status under the new constitution. Oh, that's right -- you won't be able to, because you won't be related to any of them, and therefore you can't talk to them.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Spanky
Seventy percent of Pakistan is illiterate so they have to put symbols or logos on the voting ballots. As you can imagine the potential for fraud there is huge.

So you're saying Pakistanis are not ready for democracy?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Spanky
I don’t agree with a lot of what you post, but when you get through all the hyperbole and exaggerated references, you make some interesting, logical, well thought out points. That especially applies to your last two posts.

Thanks, but that one was pretty simple. I just looked at the map. Radical Islam's Miracle Mile is getting ringed and roadblocked into Africa. There are some who say it will take over the Netherlands and Germany, but I think thats bunk. Those people are already saying "enough." I think its only a matter of time until they thorw the Islamists out one their arses.

Africa, brother. Thats where the shitstorm lands. If you want to scare yourself sensless, read some foreign policy materials on the Egyptian street. Half of AQ's brain trust came from Egypt and Qutb, the author of bin Laden's Wahhabist ideology, was an Egyptian hanged by Nasser in the 60s.

I am heartened that we are finally seeing intellectuals all over the world coming out with studies saying "It ain't Palestine that's causing this shit. It's a mindset that believes the world must be monotheistically Islamic." I think thats the truth of it no one wants to acknowledge, because it means we are at war with a religion.

I think you can buy off the next generation with Westernized behaviors and materialism. But the cats already in the movement have to be killed. No other way.

So why don't we get to the business of it? Why is that fat Imam allowed to spew hate in London? Can't the fucking MI6 fix him up with a heart attack pill in his next kabob?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Pakistan had a democratically elected government. Now it's a military dictatorship. Where's the progress? By free market reforms, are you talking about how the market found a way for Pakistani nuclear technology to end up in the hands of North Korea?

You know you can't convert these countries by letting them go freely democratic. They'll elect a bunch of woman-hating miscreant degenerates to protect their own little tribal interests. Musharaff is far better than anything millions of his illiterate, fundie Islamic subjects could elect.

You have to almost literally pummel these people with western influences and culture while killing their religious leaders to get anywhere. You can't just give them the wheel. They're like Mississippi in the 60s. You gotta drag these fuckers kicking and screaming. I see a one two punch. 1. Flood them with western goods and culture. Pump western television free via satellite to them. Get them fucking, screwing and getting drunk and high. Get them ambitious for expensive cars. Its creating a middle class in India. Why not Pakistan? 2. Kill the religious zealots. Make the Imams disappear. have all sorts of accidental fires take out the militant madrases and mosques. You can't cure the indcotrinated, so just get rid of them.

Those two steps should do it.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Ask your friends who worked for Reagan in the 1980s what that meant back then. I think it means "keep the Persians from exporting the Islamic Revolution to the rest of the oil, uh, I mean Mideast, in much the same way that the Poles of the 1920s under a dictatorial general kept the Bolshies out of Weimar Germany."

The Iranian revolution was a Shiite revolution, so that type of revolution was going nowhere in Arabia. The only
Arabian country with a significant Shiite population is Iraq. Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the UAE etc do not have enough Shiites for a Shiite revolution.

Originally posted by Not Bob
Are you talking about the West Bank? Our friends are doing that, too. And in Pakistan and sub-saharan Africa and Indonesia and . . . oh, but the House of Saud is much better than the alternative. (and I agree with you on that, not that that matters)

I don't know if the House of Saud is better than the alternative. Our State Department seems to think so. However, they also may be thinking that if the House of Saud falls, that even only a ten percent chance of fundamentalists taking over is to much of a chance with all that oil at stake.

Originally posted by Not Bob
Yup. But, speaking of human rights, ask Iraqi women how they feel about the proposed changes in their status under the new constitution. Oh, that's right -- you won't be able to, because you won't be related to any of them, and therefore you can't talk to them.

My guess is that if took a poll of Iraqi women they would prefer the current system as imperfect as it is, to the old one.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
Seventy percent of Pakistan is illiterate so they have to put symbols or logos on the voting ballots. As you can imagine the potential for fraud there is huge.

70% of the democrats are literate (liberally speaking) and yet when push comes to chad they still have to resort to faux claims of voter fraud to try to prevent the duly elected President from taking office.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You know you can't convert these countries by letting them go freely democratic. They'll elect a bunch of woman-hating miscreant degenerates to protect their own little tribal interests.

Yes, the unborn children, it takes a tribe.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You know you can't convert these countries by letting them go freely democratic. They'll elect a bunch of woman-hating miscreant degenerates to protect their own little tribal interests. Musharaff is far better than anything millions of his illiterate, fundie Islamic subjects could elect.

You have to almost literally pummel these people with western influences and culture while killing their religious leaders to get anywhere. You can't just give them the wheel. They're like Mississippi in the 60s. You gotta drag these fuckers kicking and screaming. I see a one two punch. 1. Flood them with western goods and culture. Pump western television free via satellite to them. Get them fucking, screwing and getting drunk and high. Get them ambitious for expensive cars. Its creating a middle class in India. Why not Pakistan? 2. Kill the religious zealots. Make the Imams disappear. have all sorts of accidental fires take out the militant madrases and mosques. You can't cure the indcotrinated, so just get rid of them.

Those two steps should do it.

It took 2 atom bombs to put Japan where it needed to be to go Democratic. All we're doing is delaying the inevitable.

[Hank Chinaski]

[i]Originally posted by Not Bob [/]

Yup. But, speaking of human rights, ask Iraqi women how they feel about the proposed changes in their status under the new constitution. Oh, that's right -- you won't be able to, because you won't be related to any of them, and therefore you can't talk to them.

Translation: When the ladies wear burkas you can't tell when to compliment their new hairstyles

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Translation: When the ladies wear burkas you can't tell when to compliment their new hairstyles

Fuckin' a, man. I'd never survive under Sharia.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
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Whoooooop! There it is!!!

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Whoooooop! There it is!!!

Well done, old chap. I might have gone with "A member of the Fedralist Society? Moi?" but I applaud your choice.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Well done, old chap. I might have gone with "A member of the Fedralist Society? Moi?" but I applaud your choice.

That was from Burger?? Making baby jesus cry??

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
That was from Burger?? Making baby jesus cry??

I thought penske gave up on waiting, and picked one. Hmm. If it was you, burger, well done.