Fashion Board 11-2-03 - 12-09-03

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Fugee
No, we didn't invent the concept of Christ figures. We just follow Christ who was on earth as a real historical person, referred to in accepted historical secular writings of the era. You may not believe what the disciples wrote about him in the New Testament, but 10 of the 11 remaining disciples were willing to die for what they wrote and believed, which would be pretty stupid if they knew it was all a made-up archetype.

And even before Christ, the Old Testament is full of foreshadowing of what Christ would be like.

I think the archetype exists because people have always had a God-shaped hole in their lives and have looked for ways to fill it.

End of sermon.

Fu(Christianity Timmy)fee

Fugee,

From a literaray perspective, the Holy Ghost is a terribly undeveloped character. None of the authors of the bible ever flush out exactly what he is or what his gig is. You've got God, then you've got his son... then you have this "ghost" they hang around with, but never does anything. I'd say the Holy Ghost is analagous to Fredo, but even Fredo was in some scenes and figured importantly in the flick.

This Ghost is one third of the Trinity, yet no one has a damn clue who he is or what he's up to. I asked this question of a priest years ago and he said "Oh, its a mystery." Guess what asshole - no answer, no fucking donation. Its exactly these sort of plot holes that have convinced me that the Catholic Church is a collection of the finest snake oil salesmen in history. Spray some incense here, say some Latin there, allude to mysteries a bit and threaten people with damnation... there, that should separate Joe Six Pack from hiw wallet.

If Christianity/Judaism was a screenplay no one would have ever made it. Parting seas, locusts, plagues on first born, making loaves and fishes last for months, ghosts, burning bushes, guys who live to be 1000... its got more holes and rambling pointless subplots than a recent Warren Beatty vehicle.

S(And who was the ghost before he died?)d

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by Fugee
You may not believe what the disciples wrote about him in the New Testament, but 10 of the 11 remaining disciples were willing to die for what they wrote and believed, which would be pretty stupid if they knew it was all a made-up archetype.

I suppose it would not really be a fair comparison for me to note that 39 of 39 Heaven's Gate members were willing to die for what they believed, which would be pretty stupid if they knew there was not, in fact, a UFO accompanying the Hale-Bopp comet. But, I'll mention it anyway.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
As a matter of fact, I hate it. It's too flexible. And yet inflexible.
And yet, I don't care. I hate till, I hate alright.
Go with the mainstream not the nonstandard.

Did you even read what RT posted? "Till" is not nonstandard. "'Til" is. You deleted the substance of the quote and then tried to shape it to fit your flawed understanding. It is nonstandard to shorten the word "until" to "'til." "Till" is a word that apparently predated "until."

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Skeks in the city
Originally posted by dtb



The Dubliners is good. Portrait of the Artist is OK. Ulysses and Finnegans Wake seemed horrible after 50 pages, and that's all the chances they get.

We're all riddled with melancholy and alcoholism and we're doomed. Rock on, Joyce, you original bastard.

[Aloha Mr. Learned Hand]

Originally posted by purse junkie
As to Midnight Oil, however, have at it. Completely fucking overrated. If I shave my head, will someone give *me* a record contract?

Almost. You have to be bald AND politically edgy. See Skinhead O'Connor.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Fugee
No, we didn't invent the concept of Christ figures. We just follow Christ who was on earth as a real historical person, referred to in accepted historical secular writings of the era. You may not believe what the disciples wrote about him in the New Testament, but 10 of the 11 remaining disciples were willing to die for what they wrote and believed, which would be pretty stupid if they knew it was all a made-up archetype.

And even before Christ, the Old Testament is full of foreshadowing of what Christ would be like.

I think the archetype exists because people have always had a God-shaped hole in their lives and have looked for ways to fill it.

End of sermon.

Fu(Christianity Timmy)fee

Fugee, dearest, think of a Venn diagram. The biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig circle is the archetype. A smaller circle inside the big circle is a Christ figure. I am not saying by this that Christ is teeny or unimportant or should be either. I'm commenting that having Christ as the prototype of this archetype is limiting when doing analysis because it tends to force people into either finding a resurrection (or other Christ-specific detail) aspect or explaining why that is not needed.

But you may feel early-Christian-martyed if you like. I only just started reading the Gospel of Thomas (Pagels) last night but you might want to ponder reading some of that stuff, where people look at the versions of Christ's story that were written contemporaneously with the Gospels that were included in the New Testament but then were suppressed a few centuries later. It appears that they have some differing versions of things. Which is not incredibly important if you are dealing with the archetype, but may be incredibly important if one is required to believe that certain specific things happened to a particular person a really really long time ago.

And what PLF said.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
I suppose it would not really be a fair comparison for me to note that 39 of 39 Heaven's Gate members were willing to die for what they believed, which would be pretty stupid if they knew there was not, in fact, a UFO accompanying the Hale-Bopp comet. But, I'll mention it anyway.

PLF,

You can no more argue non-belief to a believer than you can train your cat to take a shower. All Churches have built into their creeds the notion that the central most important aspect of belief is believing depsite lack of proof, i.e, "That its so unbelievable yet you still believe is evidence that its a truly divine belief." Its the only way a religion can hadge aginst scrutiny which would otherwise prove it a somewhat foolish endeavor from a strictly logical perspective. Of course, if one should argue logic and science against religion, the comeback is always "Well, you can't prove it didn't happen." True, but I can make a logical decision to disbleieve based on the likelihood that certain supernatural events did not happen in the past. To that, the religios argue "Well, you must take it on faith." Faith is of course religion's ultimate escape hatch - the utterly indefensible proposition that it is somehow an elevation of human consciousness to divorce ourselves from everything our instinct and eyes would have us believe and instead believe highly improbable constructions because someone tells us they are the work of a divine being. Faith is perhaps the most insidious concept ever introduced to humanity... its really nothing more than a desperate hedge against fear of the unknown.

S(Thousands of years of war and strife... brought to you by... faith)D

[dtb]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
She looks pissed in her mugshot.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/haddon1.html

I wonder what he did?

She looks better in her mugshot than she does in her wedding photo!

In fact, that's one of the best-looking mugshots I've ever seen! (I'm in love, apparently...)

[dtb]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Just for you, Thrasher, I am posting this:

Perhaps she is British. Don't they treat collective nouns as plural? The team are going for ice cream?

I may be mistaken. I'm sure someone on here will know.

Someone probably already addressed this, but I cannot resist:

I think maybe RP was referring to the use of "who" instead of "that" when referring to "the group" as opposed to the collective noun treated as singular. You are correct that the British do that collective noun-plural thingy.

(e.g. "My family live there." As uttered by Sebastian Flyte, referring to the monstrosity of a "home" in Brideshead Revisited -- I don't know why, but that sentence sticks with me for some reason -- I didn't even need to google it.)

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by tmdiva
I'm also really disappointed that she didn't just see through the shtick of that self-absorbed self-congratulatory TOOL Zach. I actually probably agree with him that he doesn't really belong on the show (other than personality, his main defect seems to be thinning hair), but he doesn't have to be so smug about it.

Wrongerito on those Fritos. He may be an imbetweener when it comes to the biggest losers on that show and the guys on Bachelorette, but he is extremely average. He is not good looking. He's as dumb as bricks. And he is so juvenile that he thinks it's funny to pick on the smallest guy in the group by cracking an egg on his head. When the other dork confronted him about being an ass and actually (almost) got in his face, he didn't say shit. He's a pussy who thinks he's the man because he's surrounded by dorks who are smarter than him. He most certainly belongs in the class of guys they chose. In fact, he's below many of those guys. If he was on Bachelorette, he would be silent, in the corner and would leave the first episode.

Are you restricting your judgment to pure looks? (And I still think you lose if you are.)

TM

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
Almost. You have to be bald AND politically edgy. See Skinhead O'Connor.

Who promptly lost most of her following for actually being political and ripping up a photo of the pope. Though I never actually saw the big fuss about that, as it's hardly an edgy political notion that Roman Catholicism treats women like shit.

Much safer apparently, like Midnight Oil, to shave your head and just whine in a video.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
You need to learn how to spell "weird." Sorry. I let this go 500 times, but now it's starting to drive me nuts.

That and "alot" is actually two words. (Don't know if you have this problem.)

TM

I make that mistake in typing alot. Fortunately, I now have it set to auto-correct on Word.

I watched about two five minute sets of Average Joe while watching tennis. Both sucked. I have to ask, are Jews that much more average than everyone else, bc Average Jew seems to havea disproportionate number of them. They must be stoked to have at that shiksa action, but we know its all doomed bc shiksas are for practice, right?

And, there is a fundraiser at the SportsClubLA I think next week where dates with former redskins players, and Fat Bob rejects are being auctioned. I think Mmmmmmm, Cooter (CJ) still watches so perhaps he is interested?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
The 11th edition of Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, published in June, defines a ``McJob'' as ``a low-paying job that requires little skill and provides little opportunity for advancement.''

Rather like the practice of law in the early 21st century.

Tax(I doubt I'm the first, but it bears repeating)wonk

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Wrongerito on those Fritos. He may be an imbetweener when it comes to the biggest losers on that show and the guys on Bachelorette, but he is extremely average. He is not good looking. He's as dumb as bricks. And he is so juvenile that he thinks it's funny to pick on the smallest guy in the group by cracking an egg on his head. When the other dork confronted him about being an ass and actually (almost) got in his face, he didn't say shit. He's a pussy who thinks he's the man because he's surrounded by dorks who are smarter than him. He most certainly belongs in the class of guys they chose. In fact, he's below many of those guys. If he was on Bachelorette, he would be silent, in the corner and would leave the first episode.

Are you restricting your judgment to pure looks? (And I still think you lose if you are.)

TM

Translation: Zack should have been kicked off BEFORE me.