Posting Towards Gomorrah - Page 41

Tyrone Slothrop · 09-06-2006, 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
The current dictator of North Korea's father wasn't immortal either. We closed our bases in Saudi Arabia and we will eventually close them in Iraq. And its not really so much that one of our jets would be shot down as one of our pilots would end up in Saddam Husseins hands. Then we would be faced with the option of invading to get him or her back.

The continued implementation of the containments system was not an option. Too many things could go wrong. And unlike the Soviet Union, we could fix the problem. We didn't need to continue with an unsatisfactory status quo.

This has become a general discussion of containment. The point of the questions in my original post was specifically to re-examine the question in light of our present concern about Iran. Note that the person I was quoting was a supporter of the war who now suggests it was a mistake for the reasons stated.

Penske_Account · 09-06-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
This has become a general discussion of containment. The point of the questions in my original post was specifically to re-examine the question in light of our present concern about Iran. Note that the person I was quoting was a supporter of the war who now suggests it was a mistake for the reasons stated.

Ty, the points you are ignoring are:

1. you had people from both sides of the aisle saying containment was not working (including but not limited to former co-president Hilary Clinton).

2. the costs of containment, as you admitted, include WTC II.

3. the OPINION source you are citing now is looking at with 20/20 hindsight, another speculative way to look at it is to ask, what would have happened if we did nothing? Hussein is still in power. We still have the costs of containment. Certainly Hussein continues to thwart the UN and resolution regime. Maybe Hussein gets WMDs. Iran and North Korea would be doing exactly what they are doing now. In your world, do you think but for Iraq, we would have disarmed NK now or would have the latitude and world's support to move militarily against Iran?

Tyrone Slothrop · 09-06-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Ty, the points you are ignoring are:

I'm not ignoring points. I'm ignoring your posts and Hank's posts on this board for the time being. Sorry -- I thought I was clear about this hours ago.

Penske_Account · 09-06-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm not ignoring points. I'm ignoring your posts and Hank's posts on this board for the time being. Sorry -- I thought I was clear about this hours ago.

I thought it meant you retired.

No good response to the points, huh? Admitting containment failed doesnt mean you are admitting Bush has made no mistakes. Why do you find it impossible to acknowledge anything that Bush has done may have had a reasonable foundation? But no, instead gap widens.....why is it people on the right, like me or Spanky or Hank, readily admit when we (or our side) are wrong or acknowledge the other side is right, and yet the left is fully entrenched in being oppositional?

Hank Chinaski · 09-06-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
(a) Only if you think Hussein is immortal.

he himself, or his lineage? Because I'm pretty sure his sons were spreading that seed around.

Penske_Account · 09-06-2006, 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
he himself, or his lineage? Because I'm pretty sure his sons were spreading that seed around.

2.

eta: I am responding because I know Ty has you on ignore, and yet should see this and this will help him see your substantive reply.

Tyrone Slothrop · 09-06-2006, 05:20 PM

Slave-approved conservative Greg Djejerian has my proxy in this response to Donald Rumsfeld's recent speech to the VFW. A lot of what he says is germane to what we've been talking about here lately. Good stuff.

Tyrone Slothrop · 09-06-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Ty has you on ignore

I don't have anyone on ignore. As a mod, I don't think that's appropriate. I'm ignoring your posts, and on this board, not on the FB.

Hank Chinaski · 09-06-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't have anyone on ignore. As a mod, I don't think that's appropriate. I'm ignoring your posts, and on this board, not on the FB.

until Club gets back, maybe you'd be better off just sending Slave PMs instead of posting? Pearls before swine otherwise.

Shape Shifter · 09-06-2006, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
until Club gets back, maybe you'd be better off just sending Slave PMs instead of posting? Pearls before swine otherwise.

He was kidding about not having you on ignore.

Penske_Account · 09-06-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't have anyone on ignore.

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
As a mod, I don't think that's appropriate. .

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm ignoring your posts, and on this board, not on the FB.

Your petulance is sad and mirrors the growing irrelevancy of the Ds irl, as nothing more than a screeching fringe group. Their juvenile opposition to and politics of personal destruction demonization of Bush has created a tragic partisan divide in our once great nation. As a lifelong Reagan republican/independent-libertarian I will carry on in my effourts to (re)unite America.

eta: I would no sooner deny the left the right to be heard in the marketplace of ideas than I would eat a dog.

SlaveNoMore · 09-06-2006, 05:45 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
Slave-approved conservative Greg Djejerian has my proxy in this response to Donald Rumsfeld's recent speech to the VFW. A lot of what he says is germane to what we've been talking about here lately. Good stuff.

I don't have the requisite time this afternoon to parse through that rant - much of which appears to be deliberately obtuse - but I will say that (i) yes, I generally enjoy that blog and read it often but (ii) I couldn't disagree more with 3/4s of what he wrote.

sgtclub · 09-06-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
until Club gets back, maybe you'd be better off just sending Slave PMs instead of posting? Pearls before swine otherwise.

What do I have to do with this?

SlaveNoMore · 09-06-2006, 06:03 PM

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sgtclub
What do I have to do with this?

Hank thinks you're ignoring him.

Penske_Account · 09-06-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I don't have the requisite time this afternoon to parse through that rant - much of which appears to be deliberately obtuse - but I will say that (i) yes, I generally enjoy that blog and read it often but (ii) I couldn't disagree more with 3/4s of what he wrote.

I tried to read the whole thing, and the link to the August 31 blog, as a means of trying to reach to Ty and understand his PoV, but it was really long. I read part of all it and some of the links, in part.

I will say, I agree with this statement:

I think the Democrats have distinguished themselves by what I've called their ferocious lameness

I also learned what Bush Derangement Syndrome ("BDS") is......"people who instinctively reject everything Bush says out of personal hatred for the man".

So in short, I am of the conclusion that, Ty,,,,,, Honestly, I have to say, your BDS is worsening. This saddens me. Though I often disagree with you, I have in the past found your perspective interesting. Alas, this happens less and less frequently. Based on your increasingly intemperate (and unpersuasive) writing, frankly, I'm concerned for your health, and I hope you are much calmer in person than the seething leftwinged persona you present here.

Sincerely,

In Vino Veritas,

Penske