Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Wonkie, one PM hardly constitutes "trying for weeks."

Well, a guy wants a little encouragement. I would think that at least you'd be impressed by the fact that I'm trying to scare off competition.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by infinitytrack
Why thank you. I never knew you noticed.

Why do you think I kept buying you drinks?

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Revise resume:

Activities
Enjoy caffeinated beverages; chronic insomniac and early riser; like to proofread and correct verb tenses; enjoy being yelled at.

not7yS

Interests:
Being correct, staying current on recent trends in my area of expertise, high-dollar suits.

BR(an "Personal Interests" section at the end doesn't make me reach for the shredder as fast as a "Goals" section up top.)C

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by taxwonk

I would think that at least you'd be impressed by the fact that I'm trying to scare off competition.

Why do you think I kept buying you drinks?

Wait, now I'm confused -- is 8-track your competition, or mine (NTTAWWT)?

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by Mister_Ruysbroeck
Do people seriously put personal interests on their resumes?

Unfortunately yes, because the morons in Career Services at some law schools tell you to put that shit in there because it could distinguish you from other applicants.
"Well I see by your resume that you are interested in cats. Me too. Forget about that Yale guy, we're going to hire you instead."

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
BR(an "Personal Interests" section at the end doesn't make me reach for the shredder as fast as a "Goals" section up top.)C

Yeah, the only honest "Goal" is - To win $350 million in the lottery so that I don't have to fucking slave for the man anymore. But until that happens, my goal is to have a job that I can at least somewhat tolerate, at which I can figure out the bare minimum and stick to it and that pays enough jack to get me through until the lottery thing happens and I can tell my boss what a fucking asshair he is. Oh yeah, and use my legal education to help people -- ME!

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by ThrashersFan
What the hell kind of candidates are you getting? The fucking Mickey Mouse Club? If I received a resume with a "Personal Interests" section I would throw it in the trash. What makes that person think I give a flying fuck about their interests. I don't care about any interest you may have except doing the job I am looking to hire someone for. I want to see your credentials and will feel-out your personality in an interview where I MIGHT ask about personal interests. Come to think of it, you can impress me by having a "Personal Interests" section and putting NONE so that I know you will have no issues about slaving your ass off for me. Personal Interests, you are a lawyer for fuck's sake so you don't have time for personal interests. What is with kids these days?

I know it is fun and funny to pretend that we are all so fucking busy and important that we don't care about anything except how much work the poor young candidate will do for us. But, and maybe this is just a function of my idyllic Midwestern law firm existence, I have personal interests and I expect you, the candidate, to have some too. I am indifferent as to whether you put them on your resume, and for reasons I mentioned above, it may be best not to given that there seems to be a lot to lose and little to gain. But I actually socialize with some of my co-workers. Some of them are funny as shit and do really interesting stuff. Moreover, even out here in the Heartland, I still spend a great deal of my time working. This job is too fucking boring on its own. To have to spend a significant portion of my life doing law firm work with personalityless drones would be too much to take. If I get the sense that drafting motion papers about discovery disputes is going to be the most interesting thing in your life, you are history.

Originally posted by NotFromHere
Unfortunately yes, because the morons in Career Services at some law schools tell you to put that shit in there because it could distinguish you from other applicants.
"Well I see by your resume that you are interested in cats. Me too. Forget about that Yale guy, we're going to hire you instead."

I got one in last year with height and weight on it. Seriously. I actually emailed the guy and told him that not only were we not hiring, but he should really reconsider this section.

The "goal/objective" section should be outlawed as well - wow - you want a challenging position in which you can use your skills and abilities to develop personally and professionally? Great - but can you type and will you promise not to annoy me?

And better yet, the cover letter addressed to the dead partner - that's good; I can see you researched the firm. (I don't have any dead guys, but I have friends that get these all the time.)

-TL

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by bilmore
Sadly, this has turned into the All TV, All The Time, network.

Apparently, GA's just work and veg by the tube.

If someone develops a new model of GA that rafts, shoots, vedls, short swings, pops, rappels, wheelies, crashes and burns, or even just klitches, please call the rest of us. At that point, you are actually doing something with the short time that you have.

Until then, my god, you people are doomed.

To death, or boredom. I'm not sure which is worse. But, I think you all deserve better.

STOP THE TUBE SHIT!

On another board, I used to post where I would complain that people were talking about their lives and not about tv shows.

I watch a grand total of two shows regularly, Buffy and Angel. I've been watching these shows since they started, and I've been commenting on them in various fora online for seven years, in a much more in depth way than I've ever talked about any television show here. That's probably outable, but what the hell.

I'll be happy to defend the quality of the shows, I'll be happy to point out the academic interest in the shows, critical reviews, etc. But I get the impression that you do not care. I'm talking about a silly tv show with a silly name, and you could care less about it. In fact, probably eight, maybe ten people in this forum actually care about it. But there are other shows that other people care about, and inevitably, they end up talking to one another about it.

Television, movies and other media are a comon interest. For better or for worse, it's a part of our culture, and it is something that unites us. If we don't acknowledge that, it's not going to go away.

I watch the same show that other posters watch. I immediately know what they're talking about, and generally (despite TiVo), it happens simultaneously. If I read a book, even a popular hot book, it's likely that the posters with the same interet will not have read it yet, or read it a year ago, or are on to the sequel at the point that I'm ready to discuss it. Interestingly, the television dedicated sites tend to degenerate into general discussion when an international crowd joins the fray. Simply, it's impossible to talk about the show all the time if not everyone in the forum has seen it yet, and international syndication tends to be months off.

With the exception of sports and politics and news (all areas that rely heavily on television for dissemination), there are not that many areas where everyone is doing the same thing at the same time. Of course, then, are people going to want to talk about it.

[c2ed]

Originally posted by TexLex
I got one in last year with height and weight on it.

I think this kind of crap (interests, goals, personal data) also might be somewhat more relevant and prevalent on business-oriented resumes. I've had several friends who are in different industries take a gander at my resume and most suggest I add all that stuff to it. One person even said I should imitate his, which included such salient details like marital status. He didn't understand at all when I said "um, that's not really relevant to what I do."

C(don't need a potential employer to know my interests are champagne, shoes, and increasing my personal wealth)deuced

[Atticus Grinch]

I sometimes can't tell when he's being ironic, but if he isn't, I'm with PLF.

The whole lot of you who just claimed you shitcanned the resumes of every applicant who had the temerity to volunteer his/her personal interests just forever forfeited the right to complain that your colleagues and bosses are asshats.

Merely one generation ago, people chose to practice law together based on a shared set of principles. I guess we've created a profession in which everyone has the same, single principle. And thereby earned the opprobrium heaped upon us by laypeople.

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by c2ed
C(don't need a potential employer to know my interests are champagne, shoes, and increasing my personal wealth)deuced

Tying together threads: I have never found Will & Grace to be funny, but last night, after half a bottle of champagne, it was. I laughed and laughed.

Then I did something worthwhile, wink wink.

This is actually an amusing poll topic. If you were submitting your resume to PLF's firm, what would you put in the Personal Interests section?

Personal Interests: Metro-sexuality; couture; the latest Rave drugs; working mind-numbing hours on subjects of legal interest

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Tying together threads: I have never found Will & Grace to be funny, but last night, after half a bottle of champagne, it was. I laughed and laughed.

Then I did something worthwhile, wink wink.

Don't tell me. Your pants fell down?

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
I have personal interests and I expect you, the candidate, to have some too. I am indifferent as to whether you put them on your resume, and for reasons I mentioned above, it may be best not to given that there seems to be a lot to lose and little to gain. But I actually socialize with some of my co-workers. Some of them are funny as shit and do really interesting stuff.

As I stated, I might ask about personal interests in the interview. My concern in the interview is personality -- as in, can I work around this person every day. The experience on your resume gets you to the personality test -- trying to display your personality on your resume will not make up for poor experience and would make me think twice about even calling you in if you are borderline.

My unwritten rule is to never socialize with co-workers and I don't. Some chitchat about sports or such is fine, but I came here to work not to develop a hang-out group of friends for out-of-office activities. Of course, my experience may differ from yours inasmuch as I don't work around other lawyers and my position is such that it is somewhat "difficult" to socialize with other people here. That being said, it might not differ for me at a firm because I have yet in my career to meet an attorney I would want to hang around with any more than necessary to get the job done.