Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[Alex_de_Large]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I couldn't get through this movie because I couldn't get past the dubbing. Give me subtitles any day. The DVD that I rented didn't have any other option and it bugged the hell out of me to the point that it rendered the movie unwatchable for me. I'm going to have to hunt down another version because aside from the distracting dub, it looked pretty cool.

I actually saw it in the theater. Don't know about the DVD, but I imagine there must be a version w/o the dubbing.

edit: spelling

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by JustForFun
Interesting that when blacks copy someone else's style or just lift their lyrics outright, you call that creative. When whites such as elvis improve on a style, its stealing from the have nots. Just a bit biased are you, TM, eh?

Elvis became popular by watering down a style so that it had mass appeal. For you, that may be improvement, but that is because you are one of the people with bland musical tastes - the people to whom Elvis was being marketed. It is not your fault you cannot take the real shit - you have lead a sheltered life, and it is hard for you to conceive of anything outside the boundaries of that sheltered life.

The use of a digital sampler to create new music from pre-recorded music is not just a black thing. It is a technique that is used in both hip hop and modern dance music/electronica, and the many variations and hybrids of hip hop, electronica, turntablism, whatever. A lot of the most creative stuff going on in music these days involves the manipulation of already-recorded music and sounds, sometimes combined with live instruments, sometimes not.

[evenodds]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I couldn't get through this movie because I couldn't get past the dubbing. Give me subtitles any day. The DVD that I rented didn't have any other option and it bugged the hell out of me to the point that it rendered the movie unwatchable for me. I'm going to have to hunt down another version because aside from the distracting dub, it looked pretty cool.

Ours started dubbed, too. It took a little while but we found the subtitles.

Why do they dub movies?

[JustForFun]

Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
More drama Queens...

Didn't someone say that Melissa Rivers has breast implants? I would sure as hell be pissed if I ended up looking like that after I had paid good money for breast implants.

I can't believe those are fake. Note to self - find out who Melissa Rivers' plastic surgeon is so that you avoid him or her should the need ever arise.

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
(Quoting and responding to JFF) Elvis.............

Note to all, when you quote it, I have to read its posts. Please limit your quoting of it to emergencies only.

-TL

Originally posted by JustForFun
Didn't someone say that Melissa Rivers has breast implants? I would sure as hell be pissed if I ended up looking like that after I had paid good money for breast implants.

I can't believe those are fake. Note to self - find out who Melissa Rivers' plastic surgeon is so that you avoid him or her should the need ever arise.

One gets the feeling that photos like these will be used in med schools in one hundred years to show how primitive plastic surgery was back in the day.

I am more troubled by Joan's boobs. After all the work on her face, the natural little droopy boobs dont seem to belong. Was she hoping that all the face lifts would yank the boobs up as well? I dont get it.

[evenodds]

Originally posted by purse junkie
By someone like P.Diddy, it's a shameless coverup for a complete lack of ability (though I don't doubt his abilities as a producer/promoter).

His "sampling" is unreal. He basically records the rap track over an instrumental version of the song.

I never paid much attention to his own music until I was standing with some friends in a club when the dj spun the Diana Ross song he used for "Mo Money, Mo Problems." My friends did his "rap" over the song and never missed a beat.

Even(I'd hate him, but he gave us Mary J Blige)Odds

[bilmore]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
You like to over-generalize by saying "genre," but when I see someone convert someone else's style as best they can, that seems more dishonest.

So, when someone who has not dabbled in classical tries it, it's stealing? When blues spread, it's been misappropriated? (BTW, I didn't even know that the song in question was rap - so, to your disappointment, my comment wasn't a racial thing.)

You're taking this way too seriously. I simply meant that to copy, word-for-word, someone else's lyrics and drop them into your own song seems plagiaristic to me. Sampling seems different, as it is clear what's going on. Think most of the listeners to your song know who Buffalo Springfield was?

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by JustForFun
Interesting that when blacks copy someone else's style or just lift their lyrics outright, you call that creative. When whites such as elvis improve on a style, its stealing from the have nots. Just a bit biased are you, TM, eh?

You are an idiot without the benefit of even one rational thought in your head.

I never said Elvis and other white artists weren't creative. I was asking Bilmore what the difference was between his type of "theft" and sampling. In fact, if there was any connection between what you read and what you understand, you would have seen that I put both types of "stealing" in pretty much the same category. Thus my question: what's the difference?

And your conclusion that Elvis improved upon a style is 100% subjective.

It is clear that you are a troll or an annoying sock (which is why your name is "justforfun") and therefore not worth my time or attention.

Thurgreed(if you post and no one can read it because you're being ignored, is it really a post?)Marshall

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
One gets the feeling that photos like these will be used in med schools in one hundred years to show how primitive plastic surgery was back in the day.

I am more troubled by Joan's boobs. After all the work on her face, the natural little droopy boobs dont seem to belong. Was she hoping that all the face lifts would yank the boobs up as well? I dont get it.

Well, she'd look like an idiot if she did the unnaturally-high helium-floaters that say Carmen Electra has. As it is, she merely has that freakish stretched perpetually-surprised look. Perhaps she's better just stopping there than extending the damage to farther down.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by purse junkie
By someone like P.Diddy, it's a shameless coverup for a complete lack of ability (though I don't doubt his abilities as a producer/promoter). If you have no musical talent, for god's sake don't be a musician.

What's sad is that I've had to hold several educational sessions with kids in order to explain that no, the Police didn't steal anything from P. Diddy or whatever he's called these days.

[JustForFun]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
post hoc justification of TM's racist double standard for whites and blacks

Let me guess, next you are going to tell me that blacks can't be racists because they were the oppressees?

[Oliver_Wendell_Ramone]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
Elvis became popular by watering down a style so that it had mass appeal. For you, that may be improvement, but that is because you are one of the people with bland musical tastes - the people to whom Elvis was being marketed. It is not your fault you cannot take the real shit - you have lead a sheltered life, and it is hard for you to conceive of anything outside the boundaries of that sheltered life.

Pat Boone became popular by watering down scary black folks music for the growing white suburbs. Hell, Pat Boone (and his ilk) watered down the original "white" versions of the "black" music. And, admittedly, as Elvis became more a commodity, he became pretty watered down as well.

But the early Elvis stuff (Sun Records and early RCA) is hardly watered down. Inspired by the blues and gospel that came before it, but not no more a rip-off than the work of the more creative elements of modern hip hop. And Scotty Moore's guitar kicked ass.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by bilmore
Sampling seems different, as it is clear what's going on.

I didn't make that very clear - let me try again. Sampling seems to be the the musical equivalent of a cited assertion. Dropping someone else's words into your own verse is the unsourced version - there's not the affirmative acknowledgment that you are using someone else's work that sampling provides.

Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
Pat Boone became popular by watering down scary black folks music for the growing white suburbs. Hell, Pat Boone (and his ilk) watered down the original "white" versions of the "black" music. And, admittedly, as Elvis became more a commodity, he became pretty watered down as well.

But the early Elvis stuff (Sun Records and early RCA) is hardly watered down. Inspired by the blues and gospel that came before it, but not no more a rip-off than the work of the more creative elements of modern hip hop. And Scotty Moore's guitar kicked ass.

And Stone Temple Pilots became popular by watering down Pearl Jam. What's your point?