Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[JustForFun]

Originally posted by purse junkie
Well, she'd look like an idiot if she did the unnaturally-high helium-floaters that say Carmen Electra has.

Agreed, but still stunned by the fact that so many guys actually like the way Carmen Electra's and Pamela Anderson Lee Kid Rock's look.

Originally posted by purse junkie
As it is, she merely has that freakish stretched perpetually-surprised look.

I think she would look fine if she didn't have her brows lifted so much. The rest looks fine.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by bilmore
I didn't make that very clear - let me try again. Sampling seems to be the the musical equivalent of a cited assertion. Dropping someone else's words into your own verse is the unsourced version - there's not the affirmative acknowledgment that you are using someone else's work that sampling provides.

So you have the same exact problem with Tom Petty's "Last Dance with Mary Jane" and the "borrowing" of some lyrics from Steve Miller's "Dance, Dance, Dance"?

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by bilmore
Think most of the listeners to your song know who Buffalo Springfield was?

I think most recognized the lyrics, even if they did not know the name of the original artist. Which is why he did it. Hip hop artists are constantly referencing other lyrics, whether they be hip hop lyrics or lyrics from elsewhere, in their songs. They do it intentionally, with the understanding or hope that the listener will catch and appreciate the reference.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
But the early Elvis stuff (Sun Records and early RCA) is hardly watered down. Inspired by the blues and gospel that came before it, but not no more a rip-off than the work of the more creative elements of modern hip hop. And Scotty Moore's guitar kicked ass.

I don't disagree. I just wanted to call JFF bland, because despite my repeated offers to sex her up, she does not even acknowledge my existence. I think she has used the ignore feature on me. Bitch. Super hot, perky-breasted, lithe and well-toned bodied bitch. The more aloof she is, the more determined I am to make her love me. In a purely physical sense.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by bilmore
So, when someone who has not dabbled in classical tries it, it's stealing? When blues spread, it's been misappropriated?

Yes. Of course. That's exactly what I'm implying.

Actually, I was trying to ask you why you thought there was such a big difference between someone taking a style, copying it and holding themselves out like they're some huge genius and lifting a recognizable line from a recognizable song. But I no longer care.

Originally posted by bilmore
(BTW, I didn't even know that the song in question was rap - so, to your disappointment, my comment wasn't a racial thing.)

Sometimes, to your disappointment, you really come off as an asshole. Initially, I was kidding with you. When is the last time you saw me put a smiley into a post? Jesus Christ. I was messing with you because we always have this argument.

Originally posted by bilmore
You're taking this way too seriously.

Actually, after the initial joke, I was trying to have a normal discussion with you. Clearly that's impossible.

Originally posted by bilmore I simply meant that to copy, word-for-word, someone else's lyrics and drop them into your own song seems plagiaristic to me. Sampling seems different, as it is clear what's going on. Think most of the listeners to your song know who Buffalo Springfield was?

I know what you meant. And the plagiarism accusation is ridiculous. As I said, the line was chosen because it is so recognizable. I think any implication that he was trying to pretend that he made it up is stupid. I'm sure most of his listeners have no idea who Buffalo Springfield was. But I'm even more sure that they have all heard that song at one point or another.

Thurgreed(whatever)Marshall

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
So you have the same exact problem with Tom Petty's "Last Dance with Mary Jane" and the "borrowing" of some lyrics from Steve Miller's "Dance, Dance, Dance"?

Had I ever heard (or maybe just remembered) either song, I would try to answer. If Petty just copies Miller's words into his own song, with no outward acknowledgment, then, I probably would have the same problem.

Or, Maybe Joe Biden was just very, very artistic.

[Oliver_Wendell_Ramone]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
And Stone Temple Pilots became popular by watering down Pearl Jam. What's your point?

My point? Just that early on, Elvis rawked, and was doing a whole lot more than watering down blues and gospel.

And STP were more a flat rip off than watered-down anything. Pearl Jam, otoh, became popular by watering down lots of more interesting stuff that was going on in the great NW (e.g. Green River, which Gossard and Ament were actually in, Mudhoney, early Soundgarden, Melvins, Nirvana). Which bands were, in turn, largely playing Sabbath through a punk rock lens.

Ollie (don't get me started on the late 80s NW music scene) Ramone

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
Which bands were, in turn, largely playing Sabbath through a punk rock lens.

Ozzie as The Source Of All?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Actually, after the initial joke, I was trying to have a normal discussion with you. Clearly that's impossible.

Sorry if I missed the joke. I have taken the same theme from you in the past, thought it was a joke to start with, and been burned, so, if I'm paranoid, at least I'm an informed paranoid.

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
I don't disagree. I just wanted to call JFF bland.

This is a brilliant and subtle tying together of threads, because JFF has been accused of being a watered down version of Paigow.

[SlaveNoMore]

bilmore
Ozzie as The Source Of All?

I cannot believe I have to come out of my self-imposed exile to remind you of this, yet again -

0zzY with a "Y"

not7y(like DS with her use of "loose" - sheesh)S

[JustForFun]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
I don't disagree. I just wanted to call JFF bland, because despite my repeated offers to sex her up, she does not even acknowledge my existence. I think she has used the ignore feature on me. Bitch. Super hot, perky-breasted, lithe and well-toned bodied bitch. The more aloof she is, the more determined I am to make her love me. In a purely physical sense.

Sorry, wasn't trying to ignore you. I don't ignore anyone 'cept Gardener, that is. I just get so many offers for sex from men that I have become de-sentisized to them.

I am taken. I have a hottie b/f who likes to see me naked.

[JustForFun]

Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
Which bands were, in turn, largely playing Sabbath through a punk rock lens.

You give Sabbath too much credit. Sabbath is/was overrated. Ozzy is dead.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I cannot believe I have to come out of my self-imposed exile to remind you of this, yet again -

0zzY with a "Y"

It's the onlie way I can get you to post.

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by JustForFun
Sorry, wasn't trying to ignore you. I don't ignore anyone 'cept Gardener, that is. I just get so many offers for sex from men that I have become de-sentisized to them.

I am taken. I have a hottie b/f who likes to see me naked.

Thank God. Since he's appropriately occupied worshipping at the Altar of You, can you please quit harpin' on your perfection to the rest of us, Aphrodite?