Nutjobs Ranting About Politics.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Excellent point, seeing as Ron was advocating (without ever actually using the word) human cloning for the basis of embryo creation.

Something that goes far and away beyond the Dem platform position.

By the by, on top of Obama, Ron Jr, and the rest, the party platform was approved yesterday. Relevant verbage re: stem cell research:

• Investing in science to battle disease. We will push the boundaries of science in search of new medical therapies and cures. The Bush Administration has put ideology over science, skewing information about everything from women's health to scientific research. Americans deserve access to the best evidence available about illnesses, therapies, and cures. From new therapies to prolong life for people with AIDS, to new openings in the battle to cure cancer, the possibilities of medical research fill us with hope. We will secure more funding for aggressive biomedical research seeking affordable and effective therapies based on real science.
  
  President Bush has rejected the calls from Nancy Reagan, Christopher Reeve and Americans across the land for assistance with embryonic stem cell research. We will reverse his wrongheaded policy. Stem cell therapy offers hope to more than 100 million Americans who have serious illnesses – from Alzheimer's to heart disease to juvenile diabetes to Parkinson's. We will pursue this research under the strictest ethical guidelines, but we will not walk away from the chance to save lives and reduce human suffering.

The rest of the platform can be found here

edited to fix link

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan

• Investing in science to battle disease. We will push the boundaries of science in search of new medical therapies and cures. The Bush Administration has put ideology over science, skewing information about everything from women's health to scientific research. Americans deserve access to the best evidence available about illnesses, therapies, and cures. From new therapies to prolong life for people with AIDS, to new openings in the battle to cure cancer, the possibilities of medical research fill us with hope. We will secure more funding for aggressive biomedical research seeking affordable and effective therapies based on real science.
  
  President Bush has rejected the calls from Nancy Reagan, Christopher Reeve and Americans across the land for assistance with embryonic stem cell research. We will reverse his wrongheaded policy. Stem cell therapy offers hope to more than 100 million Americans who have serious illnesses – from Alzheimer's to heart disease to juvenile diabetes to Parkinson's. We will pursue this research under the strictest ethical guidelines, but we will not walk away from the chance to save lives and reduce human suffering.

I know those words, but that quote doesn't make sense.

[Not Me]

http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc8.htm

• CONTROVERSY SURROUNDS KERRY CONVENTION FILM: WAR SCENES REENACTED
  
  **World Exclusive**
  
  A bombshell new book written by the man who took over John Kerry's Swift Boat charges: Kerry reenacted combat scenes for film while in Vietnam!
  
  The footage is at the center of a growing controversy in Boston.
  
  The official convention video introducing Kerry is directed by Steven Spielberg protégé James Moll.
  
  MORE
  
  Moll was given hours of Kerry's homemade 8 millimeter film to incorporate into the convention short, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
  
  "Kerry carried a home movie camera to record his exploits for later viewing," charges a naval officer in the upcoming book UNFIT FOR COMMAND.
  
  "Kerry would revisit ambush locations for reenacting combat scenes where he would portray the hero, catching it all on film. Kerry would take movies of himself walking around in combat gear, sometimes dressed as an infantryman walking resolutely through the terrain. He even filmed mock interviews of himself narrating his exploits. A joke circulated among Swiftees was that Kerry left Vietnam early not because he received three Purple Hearts, but because he had recorded enough film of himself to take home for his planned political campaigns."

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Arlen Specter

Whoa, that had slipped by me. Now that you mention it, a certain Republican Senator did vote the wrong way on bringing the original asbestos bill out of committee.

Anyone from PA have a stake in Specter's opponent? I'm all ears.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
Instead, I will just take Michael Kinsley's word for it that there are hundreds of thousands of frozen embryos that could be used before we have to clone Justice O'Connor for purposes other than the jurisprudential ones I had in mind.

Right, and this up until now has been the general question, i.e., should the fed fund research based upon the destruction of these frozen embryos*.

Ron was going far beyond this and advocating cloning. And I think everyone here will admit this opens an entirely different can of worms.



* Serious question which I have never seen addressed? What happens to these things? Are they "killed"? Left to rot in the drain? What?

[SlaveNoMore]

Not Bob
The financial responsibility flows to the child, not the mom. She can abort a fetus for mere inconvenience (since we're assuming no health problems, how late in the pregnancy she can do this varies depending upon the state she goes to for the clinic), but she can't kill the kid after birth for the same reason.

But he cannot, right?

Worried about the hussy hitting you up for dough 9 months later? You can, roughly in order of effectiveness: (1) just say no; (2) exclusively date post-menopausal women; (3) accept only blow jobs and make sure she swallows; (4) get clipped; (5) wear a condom; (6) wear briefs instead of boxers to raise body heat and kill the little suckers before they get out; (7) insist on a "money shot"; (8) cross your fingers; or (9) sue for custody of Slave Junior.

So she has a constitutional right to remedy the situation. He, on the other hand, must endure an 18-year garnishment of his wages because of her unilateral decision - over his protests - not to exercise her consitutional rights.

It is absurd.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
* Serious question which I have never seen addressed? What happens to these things? Are they "killed"? Left to rot in the drain? What?

The parents of the embryos have to pay a fee every month to keep the embryos frozen. They aren't stored for free. The institutions have various contractual provisions regarding what will be done with the embryos if the parents don't pay to keep them frozen. Typically the parents are given the option of transferring the embryos to another facility but if they don't respond and don't pay to keep them frozen, typically they are destroyed. This is all (or should all be) spelled out in the contract that the parents enter into with the assisted reproductive facility.

If the parents keep paying, they keep them frozen. Some parents put their unused embryos up for adoption. Others donate them to reserachers to conduct embryonic stem cell research with.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I have not yet formed a position on either stem cell research or abortion, though I tend to side on the side of science in most cases. I am anti-death penalty.

This is really not relevant, but it came to mind in the general context of this discussion, and I wanted to tell the story. [Spree: Involves details of gruesome death of an infant.]








Back in the day I was tangentially involved in a case in which a mother quite intentionally allowed her infant child to die of neglect and starvation. The woman was quite poor and taking decent (i.e. legally sufficient) care of three other small children. The baby was placed in her crib, in a room with the door closed, and cried for at least two days straight before she died at some later point. The baby had already been malnourished, and also had one of the most severe cases of diaper rash imaginable -- infected sores that had rotted down to the bone. The crime scene photos were memorable.

I was a young man at the time, and not a parent. The lead prosecutor on the case, a large, muscular man with two small children, cried tears of rage.

To the extent this story has any point, it is that this experience helped shape my views on abortion. I think that one of the reasons that abortion must remain legal is because our society does not, can not, and absolutely will never take proper care of unwanted children -- and there are too many already.

This experience had no effect on my views of the death penalty. While I am opposed to the death penalty in our system, there are clearly people who need to die.

S_A_M

[Tyrone Slothrop]

• FAFBLOG: Well Dr. James Dobson it has been a while since we had our last interview an in between the Ban Gay Marriage Amendment Amendment failed. How you been since then?
  
  JAMES DOBSON: Just terrible, Fafnir. Because of the weakness and corruption of the United States Senate, I have been forced to become gay.
  
  FB: Oh no!
  
  JD: I'm afraid it's true, Fafnir. I now spend my nights in a ball gag and a chastity cage while Gary Bauer whips me from behind in his skintight leather bodice.
  
  FB: That is terrible news Doctor James Dobson! Not only has gay marriage forced you to become gay, it has made you a bottom!
  
  JD: And that's not the worst of it. Pat Robertson changed his name to "Trixie" and is giving handjobs in Tiajuana for five bucks a pop. Bill Bennet is a ponyboy in San Francisco. No one's seen Jerry Falwell since the FMA was killed, but there've been sightings of a heavy-set post-op tranny with three breasts, a chimpanzee sex slave, and a fiery Southern oratorial style along the backroads of Central Virginia.
  
  FB: But how did all of this happen Dr. James Dobson?
  
  JD: Well, it's all very simple. The legality of gay marriage sent out powerful shockwaves of destructive gay energy throughout hetereosexuality. Without an amendment to the constitution specifically barring homosexuals from obtaining marriage rights, this destructive Gay Force rampaged throughout the Traditional Family Nexus, corrupting it and turning thousands of upright, decent, missionary-position-loving straight couples into deranged, out-of-control mutant gay perverts.
  
  FB: This is horrible! What in your scientific opinion as a doctor can we do to stop this?
  
  JD: Well, humanity's only hope at this point lies in the Marriage Protection Act, which would strip federal courts of the ability to review the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act. That way if the draconian anti-gay laws we need turn out to be unconstitutional, we'll never know, because the courts won't be able to stop them.
  
  FB: Wow! Yknow when you think about it you could probably pass all kindsa crazy jurisdiction-stripping laws an it'd be almost as good as havin an amendment, only much easier!
  
  JD: Really? I hadn't thought of that.
  
  FB: Well Dr. James Dobson we have to go. Good luck with saving marriage!
  
  JD: It may be too late for that, Fafnir. But pray for my soul as Rexella Van Impe pounds me in the ass with a strap-on.
  
  FB: We will Dr. James Dobson. We will.

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[Not Me]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
gruesome death of an infant.

How do you feel about the head of an 8 month old fetus being crushed with forceps or the 8 month old fetus being hacked to death with a scalpel? Does that make you feel rage?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Laura Rozen talks to Robin Cook:

• Finally, I got to briefly grab former British foreign minister Robin Cook, a man I respect very much for his leadership on the humanitarian interventions in Bosnia and Kosovo, for a brief conversation about a subject near and dear to my heart: those alleged other British sources of intelligence on the African uranium issue. [You will remember Cook resigned from the Blair government expressing the belief that Blair was going to war in Iraq on false pretenses/hyped up intelligence]. Cook's response: there are none. There are no other British sources of intelligence that Iraq was seeking uranium in Niger. He said the French control Niger's uranium and any other intelligence on this issue the British had would have come from the French, and the French obviously didn't give it much credence.

War and Piece

[Not Me]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
He, on the other hand, must endure an 18-year garnishment of his wages because of her unilateral decision

It wasn't a unilateral decision to have sex unless you were raped.

You have no constitutional right not to become a parent and neither does she. What she has is a constitutional right to control her own body, which is unfettered in the 1st trimester and subject to more regulation in the 3rd trimester. You have a constitutional right to control your body, too. Use it by keeping your dick in your pants and you don't need to worry about child support.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Not Me
How do you feel about the head of an 8 month old fetus being crushed with forceps or the 8 month old fetus being hacked to death with a scalpel? Does that make you feel rage?

Not particularly, though I wonder why anyone would wait this long to get an abortion (unless the issue was learning very late in pregnancy about the threat to a mother's life).

[Not Me]

Did anyone else catch that jackass saying "Merci, merci!" to the crowd as they applauded after her speech? What a fucking jackass.*

* pun intended

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Not Me
It wasn't a unilateral decision to have sex unless you were raped.

You have no constitutional right not to become a parent and neither does she. What she has is a constitutional right to control her own body, which is unfettered in the 1st trimester and subject to more regulation in the 3rd trimester. You have a constitutional right to control your body, too. Use it by keeping your dick in your pants and you don't need to worry about child support.

Why are you willfully ignoring Slave's point? Assuming a non-rape scenario, the man and woman have both decided to have sex. After that, it is solely the woman's choice, even though the choice has consequences for both.