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[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I don't disagree that "fag" gets old when overused. It's funny when offered sparingly, in the right context, perfectly timed.

However, I've never heard "fag" used more than by a couple gay friends of mine. They drop it like crazy to describe flamers they find tacky or embarrassing. There seems to be a whole crowd of gay people who hate the flamboyant gay people. One gay friend was pretty adamnt about disparaging queens for giving mainstream society a cartoonish view of gays.

I don't think that the way they're using it is the same as the way it's used on this board.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I don't disagree that "fag" gets old when overused. It's funny when offered sparingly, in the right context, perfectly timed.

However, I've never heard "fag" used more than by a couple gay friends of mine. They drop it like crazy to describe flamers they find tacky or embarrassing. There seems to be a whole crowd of gay people who hate the flamboyant gay people. One gay friend was pretty adamnt about disparaging queens for giving mainstream society a cartoonish view of gays.

It is true that some gay people find the word more offensive than others. I have heard the use of the word, very occasionally, in the gay community the way your friends use it. More often though my friends would say something like "that's a bit too gay, even for me". I'd be curious whether you think your friends who use the term regularly would be so keen on coming across the way it is used frequently here. Would they hang around long enough to learn whether the people who were using it are actually homophobes or not? My guess is no.

I agree with gwnc in this case, if gay people want to use it, I won't stop them (though I bet they get some interesting reactions from other gay people), but I'm not sure that all the people using it here are coming off as enlightened as they would like to think that they are.

[Mr. Man]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
It is true that some gay people find the word more offensive than others. I have heard the use of the word, very occasionally, in the gay community the way your friends use it.

"Forget Texas stereotypes -- Dallas courting gay visitors
DALLAS, Texas (AP) -- The Old West is old news.

That's the word from Dallas tourism officials attempting to lure gay and lesbian visitors with a message that the city is a great place for them to spend their time and money.

"Big D" is a diverse metropolitan area that "has left behind stereotypes of big-haired women and rowdy cowboys -- that is, unless you count sassy drag queens and strapping gay rodeo champs," according to a Web site operated by the Dallas Convention & Visitors Bureau."

I am of the belief that every Friday night at Roundup in Dallas counts as a gay rodeo. Or should I say, roDEo.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Mr. Man
"Forget Texas stereotypes -- Dallas courting gay visitors
DALLAS, Texas (AP) -- The Old West is old news.

That's the word from Dallas tourism officials attempting to lure gay and lesbian visitors with a message that the city is a great place for them to spend their time and money.

"Big D" is a diverse metropolitan area that "has left behind stereotypes of big-haired women and rowdy cowboys -- that is, unless you count sassy drag queens and strapping gay rodeo champs," according to a Web site operated by the Dallas Convention & Visitors Bureau."

I am of the belief that every Friday night at Roundup in Dallas counts as a gay rodeo. Or should I say, roDEo.

I've lived in Montrose for years. I tend to forget that most people don't see Texas as gay friendly.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by nononono
Is it just me, or is calling someone "a gay" weird? (sorry, Manfred) It makes me uncomfortable to hear (as opposed to just saying someone is gay), much as calling someone "a black" would. It just rings of a "those people" sort of comment. No one says, "he's a straight."

I don't think calling "something" gay is weird or offensive. I don't think saying "assless chaps are very gay" is out of line. I also don't think calling "someone" gay is out of line. For example "he is as gay as a chorus line". But calling someone a faggot as a putdown is a bit strange to hear on this board because it implies there is something wrong with being a homosexual. However, with that sort of put down, or with racist comments, I think the people that say such things are putting themsevles down more than anyone else (although they usually don't have the grey matter to understand that). Calling someone an "effing faggot" is just the same as saying "I am a moron".

Anyway, that is my opinion.

[patentparanyc]

Originally posted by Spanky
I don't think calling "something" gay is weird or offensive. I don't think saying "assless chaps are very gay" is out of line. I also don't think calling "someone" gay is out of line. For example "he is as gay as a chorus line". But calling someone a faggot as a putdown is a bit strange to hear on this board because it implies there is something wrong with being a homosexual. However, with that sort of put down, or with racist comments, I think the people that say such things are putting themsevles down more than anyone else (although they usually don't have the grey matter to understand that). Calling someone an "effing faggot" is just the same as saying "I am a moron".

Anyway, that is my opinion.

Bottom line, calling someone gay isn't bad and calling somone a fag is derogatory.

But is fag hag derogatory if it is ingrained in the vernacular??

What force you to read? burger button my ass and be done with it. no one's forcing you to do nothing.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Yes, I've certainly gone over the top with that post. How dare I stifle the fag-calling hilarity of the board? I can see why this bothers you so much.

I realize (though, I note, not all casual readers of the boards would) that most or all of you are calling each other fags in the most enlightened, ironic sense of the word, but I sort of made a vow to myself, after years of living in Dallas (a.k.a. the bible belt) and hearing people make perfectly serious homophobic and derogatory statements and jokes that I wouldn't just sit by silently. If that means that once every 1000 or so times someone here calls someone else a fag I mention that I don't find the jokes funny, I'm not sure how I'm infringing on your enjoyment of the boards.

In answer to your question, no, calling something "gay" is not nearly as offensive to me as calling people "fucking fags". I guess I typically filter the jokes through whether my gay friends would appreciate (or even make) the joke. So calling TM's princess bed "gay" is not overly offensive to me. However if my gay friends came across a chat board where people spend 5 pages calling each other fags, fucking fags, faggots, even in a joking context, I don't think they'd want to hang out here or participate in the discussion. I think that sucks.

If you want to sit around calling each other fags, and it is really really amusing to you, fine. Be my guest. I just happened to mention (and I can't promise I'll never mention it again, though I think I'm fairly restrained in how often I point it out) that I don't find it funny.

My point was actually the following: that responding to someone who should be ignored, and thus forcing everyone else to (1) read her inane posts, and (2) read your stupid/useless posts trying to teach her a lesson (which she will never learn), is much more offensive/annoying to me than the ironic use of the word "fag".

Happy Friday.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I've only met one gay man I couldn't stand. He was a total dickhead from law school. Generally, gay dudes are pretty witty (even though that is a stereotype, it holds). Some of the outrageously flamboyant ones are sometimes too much drama, but that's not an indictment of gays, so much as an indictment of people who buy into the extremes of any "identity." I think some of the super-queens are akin to religious fundamentalists or left wing Berkeleyites who protest everything. They want to belong to something, so they go over the top and make asses of themselves carrying what they think are the badges of their chosen identity.

Homosexuality is the best thing to ever happen to Heterosexual men. All Heterosexual men should thank the creator daily for the existence of homosexuality. The great thing about Homosexuality is all the best looking men are gay. I know that is stereotyping, but it is true.

In addition, gay men are more charming, cultured and witty. Not all of them, but there is a large swath that are. Again, I am stereotyping, but we all know it is true.

I used to represent male models, and I represented Chippendales in Japan, and most of these guys were gay: at least eighty percent. We would go out to the nightclubs and they would attract all the women, and then these poor women would have to settle for me, because the good looking guys played for the other team; kind of like the cherry car advertised at the used car lot that sucks you in but you can't buy it so you have to settle for some lemon.

When a good looking woman enters a room, the chances are that they are straight, so the other women are screwed. When a really good looking guy enters the room, there is a strong chance he is gay. If it weren't for homosexuality, most of us wouldn't have a chance with hot women. They simply wouldn't have to settle for us.

[patentparanyc]

Originally posted by Spanky
Homosexuality is the best thing to ever happen to Heterosexual men. All Heterosexual men should thank the creator daily for the existence of homosexuality. The great thing about Homosexuality is all the best looking men are gay. I know that is stereotyping, but it is true.

In addition, gay men are more charming, cultured and witty. Not all of them, but there is a large swath that are. Again, I am stereotyping, but we all know it is true.

I used to represent male models, and I represented Chippendales in Japan, and most of these guys were gay: at least eighty percent. We would go out to the nightclubs and they would attract all the women, and then these poor women would have to settle for me, because the good looking guys played for the other team; kind of like the cherry car advertised at the used car lot that sucks you in but you can't buy it so you have to settle for some lemon.

When a good looking woman enters a room, the chances are that they are straight, so the other women are screwed. When a really good looking guy enters the room, there is a strong chance he is gay. If it weren't for homosexuality, most of us wouldn't have a chance with hot women. They simply wouldn't have to settle for us.

So, since all the truly hot men are gay, then men like you have a chance with the Scores/Stripper types? Is that what you are saying?

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I've lived in Montrose for years. I tend to forget that most people don't see Texas as gay friendly.

Dallas has a great gay community, which I lived in for a couple of years. In some ways it seemed more cohesive (and, as an aside, it threw a much better party) than the West Hollywood community. Unfortunately mainstream Dallas is not particularly gay-friendly. Like people who work in large law firms and such. Too many Baptists.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
I agree. And surely we can find a more biting insult that doesn't refer to anyone's sexual preference.

So, I'd suggest we use the word "Hankish" where people are tempted to say "Fag". I think it gets the point across.

What about "negro"? It has been thrown around ironically on the FB, and no one has posted that it's bothered him/her.

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by Spanky
Homosexuality is the best thing to ever happen to Heterosexual men. All Heterosexual men should thank the creator daily for the existence of homosexuality. The great thing about Homosexuality is all the best looking men are gay. I know that is stereotyping, but it is true.

In addition, gay men are more charming, cultured and witty. Not all of them, but there is a large swath that are. Again, I am stereotyping, but we all know it is true.

I used to represent male models, and I represented Chippendales in Japan, and most of these guys were gay: at least eighty percent. We would go out to the nightclubs and they would attract all the women, and then these poor women would have to settle for me, because the good looking guys played for the other team; kind of like the cherry car advertised at the used car lot that sucks you in but you can't buy it so you have to settle for some lemon.

When a good looking woman enters a room, the chances are that they are straight, so the other women are screwed. When a really good looking guy enters the room, there is a strong chance he is gay. If it weren't for homosexuality, most of us wouldn't have a chance with hot women. They simply wouldn't have to settle for us.

Oh, Spanky. The problem with your argument is that many women don't really care what a guy looks like. How many really really attractive women have a partner who looks as good as they do? Very few. And it's not because they are settling. They are just attracted to the man because of reasons other than regularity of features, or buffness of pecs.

Male models are way too pretty to be even remotely attractive. I honestly don't understand how a woman would be attracted to one of them.

[patentparanyc]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Oh, Spanky. The problem with your argument is that many women don't really care what a guy looks like. How many really really attractive women have a partner who looks as good as they do? Very few. And it's not because they are settling. They are just attracted to the man because of reasons other than regularity of features, or buffness of pecs.

Male models are way too pretty to be even remotely attractive. I honestly don't understand how a woman would be attracted to one of them.

Damn. I really agree with you on this one. Many many hot women are with men that are not equally as hot, because they love their man for other, more important reasons.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Jack Manfred
I went to a large, land-grant university. I also was in a fraternity. One quarter, the pledge class president [B____] was taking Professor G______. for Economics. I had taken Professor G's class last year. He was an insufferable misogynist, a Republican, and also a gay. He refused to call on women and remarked that the only thing his ex-wife was good for was bearing his son. Every day he'd make sure to wear something pink. It being spring, he favored a preppy pink canvas belt [hi PLF!], but there was the pink polo shirt, etc. All of his T.A.'s were men, and almost all of them were quite handsome. The ladies raved about one T.A. who looked like Seal (but without the facial scars).

B was from a small town in the Central Valley. He was just barely 18 when he started school and looked younger because he was short (sort of like a dark-haired Michael J. Fox). Fancying himself a real-life Alex P. Keaton, B wore tweed jackets to school and talked about conservative politics. One day he came to the fraternity house and told us how Professor G. had invited him to a brunch and pool party at his house. B was ecstatic. In his first quarter of school, a professor had noticed his promise. B was an economics major, and now he would have a renowned professor as his mentor.

At this point, the guys in the fraternity decided to clue B into the fact that Prof G. was a gay. B refused to believe it. Only having seen gays on TV, he refused to believe that they could be Republican or misogynistic. When we persisted, he became adamant that Prof. G could not be a gay, and that we were teasing him because we were jealous of him and his intellect. We told him that we weren't joking, we were serious. He stormed off in a huff.

The pool party was set for Saturday morning. B stopped by the fraternity house a little after noon, looking pale. When we asked him about the pool party, all he said was "I don't want to talk about it. Ever." We could only imagine what he saw that had such an effect on him.

Professor G probably had a pink sweater tied around his shoulders. [[[shudder.]]]

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being really smart and 1 being ppnyc, how did you rate my intellect pre? and what is it post?

ppnyc translation: Today someone told me I'm two and a half times as beautiful as I am smart!

TM