Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[SlaveNoMore]

paigowprincess
why the self imposed exile?

Nothing big - mainly because (a) I've been spending my free time trying to learn the ins and outs of this Board's code, (b) I've haven't had much to add to the conversation - although at some point I guess I should lob out there that I definitely dig Kim Carlson, and (c) I'm sick as a dog, yet again.

not7yS

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Re: the propriety of quoting lyrics and riffs, popular dance music has been doing that farther back than people even thought that music was entitled to copyright protection. Soloists in Dixieland jazz bands could get a cheap rise out of a dance hall crowd by throwing in a improvisational lick from popular song B while riffing on popular song A. The artist didn't have any sense of responsibility for whether every single listener realized it was a quotation, because music doesn't have footnotes. In that sense, sampling and plagiarism has a proud history that predates recorded music.

To put it into your generation's terms, BB, don't condemn the Beatles for throwing that cut from La Marseillaise before "All You Need Is Love." Even if your comrades fought and died while singing that song on the battlements of Paris.

I had a long post to Bilmore discussing the tendency of bebop artists to quote melodies from other songs in their solos, to quote each others solos in their solos, about how popular riffs from solos ended up being melodies to entirely new songs which had the same chord structure as the underlying tune (and which became standards in their own right), and in which the soloist would often quote the underlying tune in his solo as an inside reference to those in the know. It was a masterpiece of a post, but the computer ate it.

[JustForFun]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
What's your man got to do with me?

I don't like lying and he doesn't like sharing. In all fairness, I don't like sharing either. We're into monogamy.

[Flinty_McFlint]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Re: the propriety of quoting lyrics and riffs, popular dance music has been doing that farther back than people even thought that music was entitled to copyright protection. Soloists in Dixieland jazz bands could get a cheap rise out of a dance hall crowd by throwing in a improvisational lick from popular song B while riffing on popular song A. The artist didn't have any sense of responsibility for whether every single listener realized it was a quotation, because music doesn't have footnotes. In that sense, sampling and plagiarism has a proud history that predates recorded music.

To put it into your generation's terms, BB, don't condemn the Beatles for throwing that cut from La Marseillaise before "All You Need Is Love." Even if your comrades fought and died while singing that song on the battlements of Paris.

That's so true. I was listening to my Justin Timberlake CD this week, and damn, I'm not sure, but I think it sounds a lot like NYSYNC's second album, with a little Michael Jackson from the 80's and early Backstreet Boys (before they sold out) thrown in. I can't tell if it's just an homage or out and out theft.

:p

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Nothing big - mainly because (a) I've been spending my free time trying to learn the ins and outs of this Board's code, (b) I've haven't had much to add to the conversation - although at some point I guess I should lob out there that I definitely dig Kim Carlson, and (c) I'm sick as a dog, yet again.

not7yS

Sorry you are sick. You always get sick. What the dilly-o>

and who is kim carlson?

[SlaveNoMore]

JustForFun
Hi rapist wannabe

I would call you a stupid cunt - but that would infer that (a) you were actually a woman and (b) thus be offended by such a comment.

Since you (a) are not and (b) won't be - I won't bother.

Rather, I'll just pat you on the head and say "keep up the good schtick"

not7yS

[SlaveNoMore]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
and who is kim carlson?

Caldwell. Carlson. Calvin Coolidge. Whatever.

not7y(clearly not an AI person)S

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by evenodds
I am not sure where the market is headed, but I prefer something more unusual to my ear mixed in to a track.

I have been hearing a lot of interesting tracks built on tropical and african beats and mixed into house. My favorite beat last year was DJ Quik's Addictive beat built on the Indian sample (that someone really should have checked and cleared first).

This is practically outable, because I am so obsessed with this music these days, but you have to check out Six Degrees Records (and to a lesser extent Quango Records) for some excellent mixes of traditional world music and electronica. The results are not always brilliant, and sometimes are terrible, but there is some great great stuff out there.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
It was a masterpiece of a post, but the computer ate it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. If my aunt had balls, . . .

(This'll all teach me to use a throwaway joke line with TM.)

I do understand that the entire course of musical expression has been a building, growing thing, with each new step based on the last, and with very few actual different combinations available. That's why I mentioned that Clapton never played an original riff. I just saw a qualitative difference between all of that subtle connection and using two lines of the exact words written by someone else in your ow song. But, hey, everybody does it, right?

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I would call you a stupid cunt - but that would infer that (a) you were actually a woman and (b) thus be offended by such a comment.

Since you (a) are not and (b) won't be - I won't bother.

Rather, I'll just pat you on the head and say "keep up the good schtick"

not7yS

I gotta agree withSlave. To call someone a wannabe rapist is just not approprate. Penske, you have finally gone too far with this sock.

[JustForFun]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
More violence against women in the form of sex by the rapist wannabe

Rapist wannabe, you know penicillin might treat what is ailin' ya, unless you caught one of the resistant asian strains, that is. Bet that yellowy discharge sure puts a damper on your love life.

You might want to think about getting tested if you are getting sick all the time, ya know what I mean?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
You are an idiot without the benefit of even one rational thought in your head.

I never said Elvis and other white artists weren't creative. I was asking Bilmore what the difference was between his type of "theft" and sampling. In fact, if there was any connection between what you read and what you understand, you would have seen that I put both types of "stealing" in pretty much the same category. Thus my question: what's the difference?

And your conclusion that Elvis improved upon a style is 100% subjective.

It is clear that you are a troll or an annoying sock (which is why your name is "justforfun") and therefore not worth my time or attention.

Thurgreed(if you post and no one can read it because you're being ignored, is it really a post?)Marshall

TM/JFF/Whoever,

The difference between theft and sampling is like that old judge said about porn... "I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it."

The Beasties, Eric B and Rakim, BDP, PE... that's sampling.

Dre, Snoop... that's liberally using PFunk and seventies funk influences, and improving on the grooves.

Puff Daddy and that new Eminem song (Dream On)... that's theft. And bad theft. I have yet to see a single redeeming piece of work by P Diddy - he sucks completely in every possible respect.

S(fuck P Diddy)D

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by JustForFun
I am taken. I have a hottie b/f who likes to see me naked.

I am astonished that you, of all enlightened people, would subscribe to the patriarchal norms of monogamy. Liberate yourself already! PLF is waiting to help!

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Here's an article in Salon about The Believer, the new Eggers/McSweeney's magazine that I was asking about a few days ago. I still haven't seen it, but I'll pick it up if I do. You may have to do the free subscription thing to read the article.



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[JustForFun]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
I am astonished that you, of all enlightened people, would subscribe to the patriarchal norms of monogamy. Liberate yourself already! PLF is waiting to help!

Since, for much of the history of civilization, women were never given much say in how our societies were organized, I have no doubt that monogomay was instituted as a social norm by men. However, even to this day, women really like it too. Probably even more than men like it.

Honestly, I don't want other men. I am really into my b/f. I don't even really notice other men that way. Perhaps if my b/f starts to get flabby, things would change. But as things stand now, I am hot for him and he is hot for me.