Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[Atticus Grinch]

Screwcaps for mid-premium varietals are finally on the verge of actually taking off. Consider yourself warned --- cracking open a bottle with friends will become the mark of a true connoisseur, and real cork will be relegated to the $6 to $20 price range where people without taste will use the presence of a cork to prove to their friends that they're moving up-market from Franzia.

[lawyer_princess]

Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
If anybody would have told me 6 months ago that the FB would be discussing day 1 results at the Colonial...

As the mother of a young female golfer, I think Annika is a great role model. Last month the Prince too our older daughter to the LPGA Takefuji Classic. I don’t know what the men do, but many of the women, including Annika, stayed afterward and signed autographs. Annika signed her program and a few players, including Julie Inskter, signed golf balls for her. My daughter is now way into Annika and is following the Colonial. How cool is that?

BTW, she hits her 7 iron about 100 yards, but hey, she’s 8. I don’t know the Prince’s distances, but he is a long hitter and he’s not very big.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by leagleaze
Meh is sort of like whatever, except not quite as dimissive.

It is a bit like a verbal shrug, I think.

I suppose that it helps reduce confusion when you would otherwise just write "shrug", no?


(Yes, it's a bit too inside of a joke. Apologies. Move right along, nothing to see here).

[SlaveNoMore]

Atticus Grinch
Screwcaps for mid-premium varietals are finally on the verge of actually taking off. Consider yourself warned --- cracking open a bottle with friends will become the mark of a true connoisseur, and real cork will be relegated to the $6 to $20 price range where people without taste will use the presence of a cork to prove to their friends that they're moving up-market from Franzia.

$6-$20? You mean the rubber cork, right? Or is that just the result of East Coast markup?

not7yS

[Oliver_Wendell_Ramone]

How many players make the cut?

[ABBAKiss]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Screwcaps for mid-premium varietals are finally on the verge of actually taking off. Consider yourself warned --- cracking open a bottle with friends will become the mark of a true connoisseur, and real cork will be relegated to the $6 to $20 price range where people without taste will use the presence of a cork to prove to their friends that they're moving up-market from Franzia.

Finally. Boone's Farm is in the ranks of the classy.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
How many players make the cut?

70 (and ties) in this tournament.

Unless she really blows up on the last 3 holes, she'll be in the clubhouse well out of last place. three girly-men have already finished their rounds at +3 or worse, and at least three others are likely to finish at least that poorly.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
As for spookyfish, please tell me where I was being inconsistent. Here are my points again: (1) I think Sorenstam should have qualified if she wants to play with the boys, (2) I think there should be no sponsor's exemptions, (3) I think it will be harder for her to compete because she is hitting lower lofted clubs to the greens, (4) I think you're an ass. All points I've stuck to.

TM

Since you asked so nicely, I'll attempt to refresh your memory, and that was point (#5), which you conveniently left off, I quote:

"Why do women always want to compete with men on this level? They can't. World class women athletes can beat the hell out of most males in whatever sport they're in, but they cannot compete with world class male athletes, period." Post #5861

"Sorenstam is naturally, physically incapable of competing with men on the same level in professional golf." Post #6127

Put these two together, and your central premise translates to:

"Women are naturally physically incapable of competing with men on the same level in professional golf."

Absent affirmative proof to the contrary, this is a completely asinine statement. With due acknowledgement to the physical differences between men and women, and acknowedging that in some respects, women might be disadvantaged because of these differences, it doesn't automatically mean that women are incapable of being competitive with men in PGA Tour events, unless your definition of competitive reaches an standard you wouldn't apply to most of the men on tour.

You have a lot of nice little hedges in your argument like she will not prove that she can be competitive with the guys on the tour until she qualifies (and doesn't finish dead last) in a major, and that if she was (by some miracle) competitive in this tournament it would only mean she played well in this particular tournament on a course that suits her. You also stated that that she probably couldn't qualify for her Tour card if she tried. Unfortunately, this is all just a convenient way of using semantics to show that your blanket statement on the subject (i.e. that women are incapable of competing with men in professional golf) can never be proven wrong, at least not by her.

First of all most men on the tour aren't in a position to qualify for a major. Second, because you and I both know it is 99.9% certain she will never pursue these options (Why would she?), you're safe (for the moment) in your blanket statement that no woman is capable of competing with men in professional golf. How big of you.

This is why I became convinced we were talking past each other, since I considered PGA Tour Professionals as a class world-class athletes, so that if she was competitive with them in this tournament, it would show that women (since she is one) could compete with men at the same level in professional golf.

Your argument that she chose this tournament because it played to her strengths is just smoke. Not every PGA professional plays every tournament anyway and those they choose to play I would venture to guess are chosen based on maximizing their chances for success. Why should you bitch about her doing nothing different from what most of the guys on tour normally do?

IMHO, your points #1 and 2, were not worth spending a lot of time arguing about because unless the rules are changed, it's a fucking moot point, and you were consistent on these throughout. Wrongheaded -- but consistent.
As to #3, you were also consistent. But just because it may be harder for someone to compete, doesn't mean they are incapable of being competitive.

As to point #4, I could give less than a rat's ass about what some anonymous chat board retard thinks about me.

Point #5 is where you're really being inconsistent, and why I think you're full of shit when you say, "I hope she does well", because then your argument starts to fall apart under it's own fucking weight, if judged by normal non-Thurgreed standards. (See "hedges" above).

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by ABBAKiss
Finally. Boone's Farm is in the ranks of the classy.

It's always been classy.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
$6-$20? You mean the rubber cork, right? Or is that just the result of East Coast markup?

Can't speak to NYC, but when I was in the mid-Atlantic I was paying something like $18 for Kendall-Jackson, which ain't no great shakes and costs about $9 on the west-saiiiiiide. Wines under $20 nationwide like K-J will continue to use real cork (or, as you observe, the plasticized substitute) in order to distinguish themselves from jug wines, because nothing else about them will. Wines over $20 won't have that problem and will transition to screwtops once they stop fearing the stigma, which will be soon.

Out here, even the boozehounds on Polk Street are stuffing their rumpled paper sacks with Charles Shaw, which uses real cork in a $2 bottle, so the board of supes will probably have to distribute corkscrews at taxpayer expense. "This corkscrew brought to you by Sen. John Burton. Not for use on PlumpJack wines."*

*Warning: Inside SF politics joke.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Out here, even the boozehounds on Polk Street are stuffing their rumpled paper sacks with Charles Shaw, which uses real cork in a $2 bottle, so the board of supes will probably have to distribute corkscrews at taxpayer expense

Yeah, it's four-buck chuck in DC.

BTW, what's burton got against PlumpJack?

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Out here, even the boozehounds on Polk Street are stuffing their rumpled paper sacks with Charles Shaw, which uses real cork in a $2 bottle . . .

My FIL refers to this wine as "two-buck-chuck." Is this a comonplace nickname, or just his wit?

[fufu]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Out here, even the boozehounds on Polk Street are stuffing their rumpled paper sacks with Charles Shaw, which uses real cork in a $2 bottle, so the board of supes will probably have to distribute corkscrews at taxpayer expense. "This corkscrew brought to you by Sen. John Burton. Not for use on PlumpJack wines."*

*Warning: Inside SF politics joke.

Atticus, you crack me up. All hail to the Burninator.

[NotFromHere]

kafka_esquire
My FIL refers to this wine as "two-buck-chuck." Is this a comonplace nickname, or just his wit?

Common. Rumor is that Trader Joe's started this when they bought massive quantities of the Charles Shaw and were advertising as "two buck chuck" (per "Wine Country Living - 2 weeks ago). Then some guy got the bright idea and started bottling a wine with the "Two buck Chuck" label. I think Charles Shaw flamed a cease-and-desist claiming rights to the name.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
BTW, what's burton got against PlumpJack?

It's inside baseball, but Burton and handsome supervisor/famous husband of underwear model* Gavin Newsom are at odds over homeless policy, which, other than foreign policy, is the only thing the S.F. board of supes thinks it's supposed to do. Newsom is a partner in PlumpJack restaurants and wines. Burton thinks mayoral candidate Newsom's homeless policy is fucked up.

While this is a battle between the ultra-left and the insanely-left, it's gotten ugly. It's literally been reduced to two atheists posting billboards accusing the other of getting the WWJD question wrong.

*The hottie prosecutor from the dog-mauling trial, Kimberly Guilfoyle.