Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by spookyfish
Okay, did anybody take a good look at this site? I opened the site and took the test. I didn't pay enough attention to the results initially, so I logged on again. What's the main function of this site, a dating service, or is there some other purpose? When I scrolled down to the bottom of the page, it matches your results with other members in your area, with pictures no less! If this is what I would theoretically be compatible with, I have one word -- OOFA!

Without posting pictures, a good poll question for today would be:

If you were in a position to date any of these supposedly compatible people, would you find any of them even remotely physically attractive?

In the interest of disclosure I would say two out of the four listed were even close to being average looking.

Please categorize as follows:

Total Number "Matches"

# of Knockouts

# Above Average

# Average

# Below average

# Butt fugly


My results:

Total - 4

2 - Average

2 - Butt fugly

spooky(can I take the test again?)fish

Edited to say: This may not work as a poll question for Leagl, et. al., b/c the website I believe assumes everyone's a hetero.

4 matches (all listed in Dallas areas, so they must know where I am) -- 1 possible average, but fuzzy picture, 3 ugly (2 of those with mustaches, one of the mustacheoed ones with cowboy hat)

We've been doing Emode tests here for quite a while and at first they seemed to be all in fun but at some point the site determined that it needed some sort of revenue and that is when dating stuff and product placements began...

n(so lets keep those lawtalkers donations coming...)cs

Edited to say that the cowboy's turn on is Public Displays of Affection. Yikes

[evenodds]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
We've been doing Emode tests here for quite a while and at first they seemed to be all in fun but at some point the site determined that it needed some sort of revenue and that is when dating stuff and product placements began...

n(so lets keep those lawtalkers donations coming...)cs

Now that is a GREAT idea: a lawtalk online dating service.

Plus, imagine how many people would sign up looking for a sugar daddy or sugar momma . . .

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
4 matches (all listed in Dallas areas, so they must know where I am) -- 1 possible average, but fuzzy picture, 3 ugly (2 of those with mustaches, one of the mustacheoed ones with cowboy hat)

We've been doing Emode tests here for quite a while and at first they seemed to be all in fun but at some point the site determined that it needed some sort of revenue and that is when dating stuff and product placements began...

n(so lets keep those lawtalkers donations coming...)cs

I know I had to sign up today and they asked for zip code. I realize that this whole thing could be a product of the internet being a last bastion for ugly people looking to find love -- NTTAWWT, though the attitude or stigma re: online dating services seems to be changing somewhat.

sf

[SlaveNoMore]

Originally posted by evenodds
Now that is a GREAT idea: a lawtalk online dating service.

Because the Infirmation one didn't cause enough problems already?

not7y(sheesh)S

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Because the Infirmation one didn't cause enough problems already?

not7y(sheesh)S

Just call me Yente.

Matchmaker matchmaker make me a match, find me a find, catch me a catch.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by leagleaze
Just call me Yente.

Matchmaker matchmaker make me a match, find me a find, catch me a catch.

No, no, no. Adding technology to affairs of the heart would go against TRADITION!

[evenodds]

I was just thinking . . .

the only thing missing from this Fiddler crap is a big ugly picture.

Suddenly, there it is. Thanks, Spooky!

New lawtalkers slogan: "Looking for Love"

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by spookyfish
Since you asked so nicely, I'll attempt to refresh your memory, and that was point (#5), which you conveniently left off, I quote:

"Why do women always want to compete with men on this level? They can't. World class women athletes can beat the hell out of most males in whatever sport they're in, but they cannot compete with world class male athletes, period." Post #5861

"Sorenstam is naturally, physically incapable of competing with men on the same level in professional golf." Post #6127

Put these two together, and your central premise translates to:

"Women are naturally physically incapable of competing with men on the same level in professional golf."

Absent affirmative proof to the contrary, this is a completely asinine statement. With due acknowledgement to the physical differences between men and women, and acknowedging that in some respects, women might be disadvantaged because of these differences, it doesn't automatically mean that women are incapable of being competitive with men in PGA Tour events, unless your definition of competitive reaches an standard you wouldn't apply to most of the men on tour.

You have a lot of nice little hedges in your argument like she will not prove that she can be competitive with the guys on the tour until she qualifies (and doesn't finish dead last) in a major, and that if she was (by some miracle) competitive in this tournament it would only mean she played well in this particular tournament on a course that suits her. You also stated that that she probably couldn't qualify for her Tour card if she tried. Unfortunately, this is all just a convenient way of using semantics to show that your blanket statement on the subject (i.e. that women are incapable of competing with men in professional golf) can never be proven wrong, at least not by her.

First of all most men on the tour aren't in a position to qualify for a major. Second, because you and I both know it is 99.9% certain she will never pursue these options (Why would she?), you're safe (for the moment) in your blanket statement that no woman is capable of competing with men in professional golf. How big of you.

This is why I became convinced we were talking past each other, since I considered PGA Tour Professionals as a class world-class athletes, so that if she was competitive with them in this tournament, it would show that women (since she is one) could compete with men at the same level in professional golf.

Your argument that she chose this tournament because it played to her strengths is just smoke. Not every PGA professional plays every tournament anyway and those they choose to play I would venture to guess are chosen based on maximizing their chances for success. Why should you bitch about her doing anything different from what most of the guys on tour normally do?

IMHO, your points #1 and 2, were not worth spending a lot of time arguing about because unless the rules are changed, it's a fucking moot point, and you were consistent on these throughout. Wrongheaded -- but consistent.
As to #3, you were also consistent. But just because it may be harder for someone to compete, doesn't mean they are incapable of being competitive.

As to point #4, I could give less than a rat's ass about what some anonymous chat board retard thinks about me.

Point #5 is where you're really being inconsistent, and why I think you're full of shit when you say, "I hope she does well", because then your argument starts to fall apart under it's own fucking weight, if judged by normal non-Thurgreed standards. (See "hedges" above).

First off, let me note that in not one place in that exhaustive email did you actually say I was being inconsistent. You implied it in your last point because you had to cover your ass. And if you're going to quote me, you should go back to one of my first posts (before you even jumped in, I believe) and quote me when I said I hope she does well.

Second of all, either we have different definitions of "compete" or the "nice little hedges" you're talking about are so huge that they swallow your argument.

Yes. I'm talking about the PGA Tour as a whole when I say the players are world class athletes. Most players who compete earn their tour card one way or another. Most players play more than one tournament that fits their game to a "T." Hell, under your theory, Annika would be competing on a par three course of three holes. So, when I say, "compete," I mean actually compete. She may play well and make the cut, she may end up second to last (in which case you will be jumping up and down telling me how you won the argument). Hell, most people think that in order to be fair to HER, she should play in more than one tournament. So, finishing in the bottom third of this event and not making the cut (which, yes, I hope does not happen), is not really "competing." But I won't be yelling that at the top of my lungs if it happens because it's only one tournament (even if she finishes in the bottom 5%).

Saying that she won't play more than this event and this is why I have chosen to argue the way I have is ridiculous. If she thought she had a chance to compete on the Tour, she would do it. She doesn't, which is why she has only chosen this one event.

So, what happens when she doesn't make the cut? Does that mean she is competing at world class level? If I got a sponsor's exemption, I could play Thursday and Friday and not make the cut. Does it matter that she beat a few guys without making the cut? I would say, I would be impressed with that considering the natural physical differences between her and most men. But, if she played 1000 tournaments at The Colonial and never made the cut, would she be competing? No. You would argue that if she beat one guy in each of the 1000 tournaments that she has successfully competed.

Either way, I'm sick of discussing this with you. And I'm sure the board is as well. So, let's continue on PM or let it go already.

TM

[Anne Elk]

Originally posted by evenodds
I was just thinking . . .

the only thing missing from this Fiddler crap is a big ugly picture.

Suddenly, there it is. Thanks, Spooky!

New lawtalkers slogan: "Looking for Love"

in all the wrong places?

[ABBAKiss]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Having learned - from television, mind you, so it must be true - that every person I know that ever smoked a bowl or cranked a line, in essence, aided and abetted those murderous scoundrels that brought down the Twin Towers

I LOVE these commercials. I also love the ones about how if you smoke marijauna you will get pregnant.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by evenodds
I was just thinking . . .

the only thing missing from this Fiddler crap is a big ugly picture.

Suddenly, there it is. Thanks, Spooky!

New lawtalkers slogan: "Looking for Love"

You're welcome. But the real question is, "Do you love me?"



Sorry, a Community Theatre Version is the best I could do here on short notice.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
I couldn't find any iron stats (for pros or amateurs), but from watching golf (only the majors!), I would conclude that (1) Tiger is a freak, (2) most PGA players don't hit their 9 iron farther than 160 (caveat: unless they're swinging harder than normal, which isn't very often). Even Tiger, while incredibly long, probably does not normally hit his 9 farther than 160. However, there are longer players than Tiger, they just don't have the accuracy/putting skills to exploit. Tiger's insanity is due to the greens he hits in regulation more than his distance.

I agree with most of your points and would add that because of the loft of a nine iron, being within 10 yards of what the pros hit is really no big deal. If I could pull out my 4 iron and hit it 230 with any regularity, that would be something.

TM

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
PGA/Men/Women/Annika/Can they compete or can't they?. Letting it go. . .

TM

Concur. This has been beaten to death.

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by Robustpuppy
I'm sorry. Jesus fucking X.

Thanks for that! I knew someone had my back.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by leagleaze
Just call me Yente.

Matchmaker matchmaker make me a match, find me a find, catch me a catch.

I'm surprised you didn't modernize that final line.