Politics: Onward from New Hampshire

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone_Slothrop
I don't hate Cheney, and I'm surprised by the level of antipathy towards him on this board. I don't know a lot of people IRL who feel that way.

So I take it you don't run with the Larouche granola gang.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
So I take it you don't run with the Larouche granola gang.

LaRouche's gang has never seemed like they like granola much.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by bilmore
Their case dried up at that point, because she clearly lied to protect . . something, and it doesn't matter what.

She's fucked.

I thought that the "lie" she supposedly told was that she did not remember the conversation. I admit to not following every detail of this case, so maybe I missed other lies. But I thought that was at least one of the supposed lies.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by bilmore
If you want to be taken seriously here

You fail to understand why I am here. I could literally care less whether anyone takes me seriously or not here. I am here to say what I think unrestrained by social mores.

Besides, I wasn't saying anything about Clinton's politics at the time. Having an ugly daughter has nothing to do with how I feel about your political positions. If it did, I wouldn't like Cheney. It was more just a general question about how some people end up way uglier than their parents. The flip side is when you see the children of two ugly people turn out to be beautiful.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Actually, on gay marriage in Massachusetts, you don't need a poll to know which way the wind blows around here, which was my point. Since you, however, do seem to need one, why don't you look at the results of the Zogby survey that was commissioned by Crews' group, which is fighting to overturn the ruling, that found "strong opposition (53% to 36%) to an amendment in the state constitution that effectively bans same-sex unions"

Please, remember, though, you can't win if you don't play!

OK, so I did click on your link. That Zogby poll said just what I have been saying and the opposite of what you said. Remember what you said? You said the people of MA supported gay marriage 2:1. I said that by the polls I had seen, it was more a 50:50 split. That is what the Zogby poll said.

according to a poll conducted by Zogby International, a majority of people (52%) in Massachusetts do not want their state to legalize homosexual marriage; 42% favored legalization. The same poll found that almost 70% want the right to vote on a constitutional amendment defining marriage.

That was the issue. You said 2:1 supported gay marriage. Here is your quote:

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Basically, polling runs 2:1 in favor of gay marriage in Massachusetts

The Zogby poll found it was 52% against and 42% for. You know, MA isn't just Boston. You keep talking about this sense of things you get by talking to other people. Well go talk to people who don't live in Boston and you may find a different attitude.

[Not Me]

Can anyone articulate an argument in support of gay marriage that could not also be used as an argument for making polygamistic marriages legal?

There may be a prize involved for the best answer. But I could be wrong.

[Not Me]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/02/...irl/index.html

Can someone please explain to me why the death penalty is a bad thing? Just curious.

[Hank Chinaski]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/....ap/index.html

As predicted first here, the party of owning up to one's mistakes, and personal responsibility, includes a young man who has now resigned over his theft of memos showing Ted Kennedy abusing the confirmation process for Judges.
As of this moment, still no work on whether the good Senator will resign.

[andViolins]

Originally posted by Not Me
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/02/...irl/index.html

Can someone please explain to me why the death penalty is a bad thing? Just curious.

My initial reaction when I heard the news while driving in this morning was, "I hope they fry that fucker!"

And then I thought, "If they really do have the right guy."

aV

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Not Me
Can anyone articulate an argument in support of gay marriage that could not also be used as an argument for making polygamistic marriages legal?

There may be a prize involved for the best answer. But I could be wrong.

How does the equal protection argument currently used--that the state can't bar a man from marrying a woman but not another man (as it can't bar a black from marrying a white)--extend to polygamistic marriage, which involves more than two people?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Not Me
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/02/...irl/index.html

Can someone please explain to me why the death penalty is a bad thing? Just curious.

You know, I'm staunchly against the death penalty, but this case tests my stance.

Take comfort in the fact that, as a child killer, this son of a bitch will be assfucked more in a year than Alan Ginsberg was in his entire life and will probably lose alll of his teeth within the first month of his sentence. The system and the prosecution will give this piece of shit no favors and he will go through absolute hell. Its actually a shame that he'll probably get the death penalty since it will benefit him by ending the horror his life is about to become.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Not Me
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/02/...irl/index.html

Can someone please explain to me why the death penalty is a bad thing? Just curious.

What about this murder is different than any other, excepting drug-war and mafia murders?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Not Me
Can anyone articulate an argument in support of gay marriage that could not also be used as an argument for making polygamistic marriages legal?

There may be a prize involved for the best answer. But I could be wrong.

There is no argument for gay marriage, and the gays who argue for it are falling right into the right wing's trap. The real argument - which woiuld not make this such a marquis issue - is that gays deserve to have the their civil unions recognized and should get benefits like married couples. This is a reasonable argument and I think they'd succeed ultimately. However, the GOP right has changed the issue and used the "M" word to whip the red staters into a family values frenzy and the gays have played along.

I can only hope the gays are asking for marriage rights recognizing they'll never win, but knowing that such a request will net them a comprimise on recognition of civil unions and benefits. If that's their strategy, I say good idea, and good luck.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
What about this murder is different than any other, excepting drug-war and mafia murders?

Do you really need anyone to differentiate child murders from all others for you? Ever see anyone harm an animal and think "What kind of person does something like that?" Its kind of like that. Kids are somewhat defenseless. Murdering and adult is just as horrific, but the presumption is that the adult might have had a fighting chance. The cowardice involved in targeting the helpless also makes the crime that much more loathesome.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Do you really need anyone to differentiate child murders from all others for you?

Sure, they're different. But in my mind not sufficiently different to justify executing child killers but not killers of innocent adults as well. Just our own moral line drawing though.