Fashion Board 11-2-03 - 12-09-03

Originally posted by leagleaze
The only way to know if someone is Jewish, just as the only way to know if someone is Christian, is if that person tells you through words or deeds.

bitch please

[bold_n_brazen]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Your parentheticals suck.

SO does nobody thnk that Average Jew is mocking or deriding the MOT community?

Well, I think that Average Joe is mocking or deriding the whole style over substance culture in which we live rather than the Tribe. But it may just be that I'm a Member and can't see myself being mocked or derided.

That being said, I invented parantheticals, but stopped using them after they reached their sell by date. SD must not have gotten the memo.

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
bitch please

Stereotypist, please.

[Atticus Grinch]

Concur that the show jumped the shark with the introduction of Kia. The $100K episode was just tedious. I'm off the TS bandwagon. It was fun while it lasted.

My new reality show kick is "MythBusters." It's like "Jackass" for nerds, with a touch of "Monster Garage" thrown in for good measure. It gives me the information I need to know, like "Does my tongue piercing make me more likely to be struck by lightning?" and "What happens when you weld a JATO to a '66 Impala?" and "Will I electrocute myself if I pee on the third rail?"

I think I will quit my job and make human beings out of ballistics jelly, then blow them up.

Originally posted by leagleaze
Stereotypist, please.

I come to conclusions after reviewing the facts. Nothing is one hundred percent byut if its beyond a reasonable doubt, you're a jew and no PC bullshit is gonna change that.

but thanks for playing.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Your parentheticals suck.

SO does nobody thnk that Average Jew is mocking or deriding the MOT community?

1. Yeh, I know, but your discussion of Jews is thoroughly dull.

2. No, its not mocking the MOT. So there are some ugly Jews on a reality show. Whatever. The MOT have a lot of catching up to do... there have been multiples more butt ass ugly Christians on game shows for the last 50 years.

And, contrary to what your argument implies, there is no stereotypical looking or acting Jew anymore. I know a whole lotta Jews, and there's a wide disparity of appearance and bahavior. This argument is dumb.

[dtb]

Originally posted by taxwonk
All of this is rather ironic when one considers that membership in the Jewish tribe is determined matriarchally. This is a fact which many modern reformed Jews overlook. My father for instance, who, whenever he accuses me of not paying enough attention to my Jewish heritage is always nonplussed when I point out to him that I am not, in fact, a Jew, what with Mom being a Catholic and all, unless all you need to be a Jew these days is to call yourself one.

Indeed. Almost as ironic as.. oh, I don't know... ray-yee-yayn -- oh that joke's so old I can't even finish it...

But true what you say. In Orthodox circles, if your father's a MOT and your mother isn't, and you observe every last mitzvah, down to the dietary laws and Shabbat observance, put a mezzuzah on every last door frame in your home, you're still not a Jew (nor do you have a "right of return" or whatever it's called to Israel under Israeli law), unless you convert (and are converted by an Orthodox rabbi).

Of course, that's just the Orthodox circle. Mileage varies.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by taxwonk
I consider myself to be a nonsecular monotheist. It's a wonderful faith. I talk to God. Occasionally, she answers, after a fashion. And I get to eat pork, lobster and cheeseburgers.

I thought God told you rather forcefully and directly that those were off your menu.

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by leagleaze
That one varies based upon who you ask. But yes, traditionally, you are only Jewish if your mother is Jewish.

This has always seemed counterproductive to me since there's so much intermarriage it makes more sense from a survival perspective to include dads' heritage and make the tribe more, not less, inclusive. But this is balanced by my feeling that since pretty much every other major religion tells women to shut up and breed and it's otherwise the men that matter, it's nice that there's one religion that gives women some credit.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
I come to conclusions after reviewing the facts. Nothing is one hundred percent byut if its beyond a reasonable doubt, you're a jew and no PC bullshit is gonna change that.

but thanks for playing.

This is kind of one of those dammed if you do, dammed if you don't things. If you do assume, you are stereotyping. But if you don't assume that Mr. Cohen from [name of primarily Jewish area] is Jewish, and wonder e.g. where he's going for Christmas, you are ignorant and/or insensitive.

What fun.

Edited to note that I am looking forward to being bashed for thinking it's OK to ask of anyone where they are going for Christmas. In areas where there are not many Jews, it's a common question. People make assumptions -- like, I generally assume people can see so if I'm talking on the phone to someone I've never met, I will recommend an art exhibit and I don't find that insensitive since the vast majority of people are sighted.

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
I come to conclusions after reviewing the facts. Nothing is one hundred percent byut if its beyond a reasonable doubt, you're a jew and no PC bullshit is gonna change that.

but thanks for playing.

You let me know when you actually use a fact.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by taxwonk
All of this is rather ironic when one considers that membership in the Jewish tribe is determined matriarchally. This is a fact which many modern reformed Jews overlook.

Let's add another layer of irony. Modern Jews overlook this. So did (to our best evidence) the entire Jewish community before the suppression of the Bar-Kochba revolt of 135 C.E. The exact moment in history when the Jewish religion was most in danger of being stamped out, they banned conversions and introduced a membership requirement that effectively capped their numbers.

I think there's a movement within Judaism to re-recognize patrilineal descent, and to ease the conversion process, because of declining population and the American intermarriage problem. Which would be nice, because it sucks to have your parents disown you because you're marrying a Catholic girl who gives good head.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
So, it's not always in the name.

My best friend was born and raised in Broken Bow, Oklahoma. Broken Bow is part of the ArklaTex, extreme SE OK. There are no synagouges within a few miles, I'm fairly sure. He grew up Baptist or Presbyterian or one of the ones where you don't need to snake handle.

While in law school he did some geneology research and discovered that about going back about to 1850, there is a chain of his father's maternal grandmothers that lead to a Jewish women. That is, all of a sudden his dad becomes the only Jew he knows in his home town.

His dad didn't switch religions, and couldn't have gotten a minion together anyway. Also, he didn't publicize his Jewishness, even though the Klan was not very visable there any more. But it was a shocker to him.

Of course its not like being part indian where you get a share of Casino $$$ if you can prove it. Proving you're 1/16 Jewish does not give you partial control over movie making decisions.

[Flinty_McFlint]

Originally posted by leagleaze
As an aside, got an email from an attorney friend (doesn't read this board) the other day. She sent me a picture of my very own avatar. So which of you fuckers stole my avatar and is sending it around the Internet with a warning to dog owners?

[whistling innocently in the background]

[SlaveNoMore]

Replaced_Texan
I saw Bend it like Beckham the other day...

Continuing "all things Keira" week.

s4(now back to ignoring this "about to get anti-semitic at any moment" jewish thread)e