All Hank, all the time.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Wow.

Moussaoui not a martyr

Smart jury.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Smart jury.

Perhaps. At least he no longer has a platform for his views. He goes to a cold cell in Denver, where we aren't likely to hear from him again.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Perhaps. At least he no longer has a platform for his views. He goes to a cold cell in Denver, where we aren't likely to hear from him again.

Exactly.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Perhaps. At least he no longer has a platform for his views. He goes to a cold cell in Denver, where we aren't likely to hear from him again.

dissent. It's good for people to hear from him. His side is already focused and angry- he ain't going to make them more so. it's our side that needs to remember.

edit: jury verdict form-

http://coop.vaed.uscourts.gov/mou1852.pdf

interesting point, preventing him from becoming a martyr was a factor to NO jurors in the sentence. Rough childhood and abusive daddy were factors to 9 jurors.

I wonder what this lady's childhood was like.



stolen from lgf

[sgtclub]

Here's a softball for the artist formally known as penske:

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  Congressman Patrick Kennedy is Ted Kennedy's son. He is currently serving his sixth term as the Democratic Congressman from Rhode Island. He sits on the powerful House Appropriations Committee.

[SlaveNoMore]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
interesting point, preventing him from becoming a martyr was a factor to NO jurors in the sentence. Rough childhood and abusive daddy were factors to 9 jurors.

I wonder what this lady's childhood was like.



stolen from lgf

POTM

One thing not to want to martyr him - but mitigating sentencing because he had a rough childhood????

What is it going to take for morons like this to ever get it??

Not(He's right - We lost)yS

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore


Not(He's right - We lost)yS

So is your issue with the result, or with the jury's reasoning for getting there, or both? How important to you is it that Moussaoui would get the death penalty?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Gattigap
So is your issue with the result, or with the jury's reasoning for getting there, or both? How important to you is it that Moussaoui would get the death penalty?

Did you know Hitler's father was cold towards the children and somewhat abusive to his mother?

[SlaveNoMore]

Gattigap
So is your issue with the result, or with the jury's reasoning for getting there, or both? How important to you is it that Moussaoui would get the death penalty?

1) If his case doesn't merit a death sentence, whose would?? You may as well remove the penalty from the books. It's meaningless.

2) And FWIW, yes, I'm more concerned about how they got there. Aren't you?

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
What is it going to take for morons like this to ever get it??

You're talking about the jurors? Because I've been informed that calling ordinary folks like those who serve on juries, or vote in presidential elections and suchlike "morons" just because they arrive a different conclusion than the one you might prefer is the mark of a condescending liberal elitist. You want to watch out for that - very bad. Even worse if you happen to live in New York or San Francisco. Just ask Bilbo.

And since we're talking about childhoods now and posting graphic images, do I get to post pictures of Iraqi kids all torn to shit by Operation Ooops There Really Wasn't Anything In Those Winnebagos and Operation Hussein And Osama Were Tight Like That, No Really? Because there are a few out there that might make you wonder exactly what kind of death you might prefer, for yourself and for your family, or at least how it is that some kinds of dead people are so much more valuable than others when the rhetorical knives come out.

I could give a shit whether Moussawi dies or rots the rest of his useless life in prison. If anyone thinks either option is going to make a ball hair's worth of difference to The Global War On/Of/For Terrorism or whatever it's called this week you give that asshole more credit than he's worth.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
1) If his case doesn't merit a death sentence, whose would?? You may as well remove the penalty from the books. It's meaningless.

2) And FWIW, yes, I'm more concerned about how they got there. Aren't you?

I would've been fine with the jury giving Moussaoui the DP, but I didn't see that particular goal (instead of life in prison) as the burning issue that the Justice Department did.

I understand that there are many others with more direct links to 9/11 than this asshole, and they appear to be held overseas. Some speculate that the US Govt can't or won't bring them here for trial because they might've been tortured or some such shit, and evidentiary problems result.

And yes, I'm concerned about how the jury reaches its decision, too, but I couldn't distinguish one from the other in your post, so I asked.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Gattigap
I would've been fine with the jury giving Moussaoui the DP, but I didn't see that particular goal (instead of life in prison) as the burning issue that the Justice Department did.

I understand that there are many others with more direct links to 9/11 than this asshole, and they appear to be held overseas. Some speculate that the US Govt can't or won't bring them here for trial because they might've been tortured or some such shit, and evidentiary problems result.

And yes, I'm concerned about how the jury reaches its decision, too, but I couldn't distinguish one from the other in your post, so I asked.

I thought it was interesting that 3 of them wrote in that they didn't feel he was all that connected to the attacks. And, I think if somehow some of the guys who flew the planes had survived, and Moussaoui had been on trial at the same time as they were, they would have gotten the death penalty but Moussaoui would not have, because he doesn't seem to have been nearly as involved. I don't see why the result should be different just because the others weren't on trial.

[SlaveNoMore]

ironweed
And since we're talking about childhoods now and posting graphic images, do I get to post pictures of Iraqi kids all torn to shit by Operation Ooops There Really Wasn't Anything In Those Winnebagos and Operation Hussein And Osama Were Tight Like That, No Really?

Are we back to Iraq? I thought this week was dedicated to the Mexicans?

Not("Are you a Mexican, or a Mexi-can't")yS

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Are we back to Iraq? I thought this week was dedicated to the Mexicans?

Not("Are you a Mexican, or a Mexi-can't")yS

Moussaoui is Mexican? Go figure. Or maybe the woman who jumped was Mexican? Please clarify.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
1) If his case doesn't merit a death sentence, whose would?? You may as well remove the penalty from the books. It's meaningless.

2) And FWIW, yes, I'm more concerned about how they got there. Aren't you?

I'm not sure what all the commotion is about on this. Frankly, if I had the choice between life in prison and death I would chose the latter.