The New And Improved Fashion Board

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by Spanky
I have to disagree. For first impressions looks are important. So for picking up strangers looks are important for men. When it comes to hooking up with a girl you know, other stuff becomes a factor, but when you walk into a bar or other place, and you don't know the girl, looks make the whole exercise alot easier.

My experience is that women who have an ugly boyfriend, they have met them in some circumstancce where they were thrown together. I had a client who was a lingerae model, and she was married to one of the ugliest guys in the world, but they met working at the same restaurant and he was there for her when her ex dumped her.

But for meeting attractive women that you are not forced together with by external circumstances, looks are important.

In addition, there are the guys women sleep and fool around with and the ones they have long term relationships with. Good looking guys get to have a lot more flings with attractive women than ugly men do.

I do not disagree that looks are important to men. I think that looks are very important to men. I just don't think they are as important to women -- first impressions or no first impressions. That was my point -- that looks are not so important to women, so that the presence or absence of hot men in the world that happen to be gay just doesn't factor into heterosexual relationships to the degree you think it does.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Jack Manfred
The "a gay" reference was a play on how a few posters have used that term on this board in the past. Believe me, worse language had been used in that fraternity house, though I don't think any of the guys called Professor G a fag, probably because they liked calling each other that more than calling others that. It's like the Steve Carell line from The Office a few weeks back.

ncs, your point about the use of the word fag is noted, though I wonder if you've ever said you've felt uncomfortable around someone who used it who then turned out to be gay. There's no shortage of gays and lesbians who use fag and dyke. You can be sure that when those Ted Haggard revelations came out that he was called that by some of them (knowing that it would have offended him).

I'm not saying that your plan isn't a good one. I'm just wondering because you'd probably not tell a black person you were offended if they used the n word, but you'd see that they were black before you made that decision.

I have not been put into the situation very often of having to say anything (IRL). I don't run up to random people on the street or anything. So, I guess I'd say that I generally know a person well enough to know what their orientation is before I start commenting on anything about what they say. It was pretty clear cut in Dallas. Here, I have one, not close friend who has made me uncomfortable with gay jokes, but I don't really know him well enough, or I've been too chicken to say anything. Yet. Maybe the issue with him will resolve itself soon enough, since his best friend met (and loved! not in that way.) my bestest friend from Dallas who happens to be gay last weekend. Seems like that might be a good segue.

I'm not militant about it or anything. But I do believe that refusing to speak up in certain circumstances can be considered tacit encouragement.

In Dallas, it was an educational tool as much as anything. I knew people who were born and raised in Texas who thought that everyone (in polite society) made gay jokes and was homophobic. So I'd tell them, rather matter-of-factly that their assumption simply was not true. And I'd introduce them to my gay friends if they wanted to meet them. Whether I changed any minds about gay people, who knows? But they, for the most part, stopped saying ignorant things around me.

Off my soapbox now.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
This, like many stereotypes, is demonstrably untrue. There are as many dumbass gay men who are as completely shallow, stupid and uncultured as everyone else.

TM

To be fair, Spanky's sample is drawn from the pools of Tokyo, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and the cow counties of Canada, so he's hitting the tops of the waves here.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by patentparanyc
My friend who is amazingly beautiful, tall, blond, thin, [married] just emailed me now and she has not seen me in a few months and told me that I looke amazing, like a Victoria's secret angel with my recent weight loss. So there. I can forward it to you as well.

You misread. She said it "was amazing that you look like you ate a Victoria's Secret angel. What a loss." Slight difference.

TM

[ltl/fb]

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[Hank Chinaski]

Tina Fey was on howard yesterday. I didn't catch it all, but she seemed to be talking about a book she wrote. A bio maybe. But I can't find anything on google.

Anyone know if she wrote something?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
This, like many stereotypes, is demonstrably untrue. There are as many dumbass gay men who are as completely shallow, stupid and uncultured as everyone else.

TM

No doubt. But I used to live in Silverlake (the other gay area of LA) and most of my neighbors played for the other team. When I would hang out with my neighbors I was always the least witty and cultured of the bunch. It was intimidating. Sometimes I wondered why they put up with me. As arrogant as this may sound, I don't think that is true when I am around heterosexual men.

But one of my gay neighbors was a slob, hostile and a total moron. He was also mean to my cats (even when they were kittens).

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
This, like many stereotypes, is demonstrably untrue. There are as many dumbass gay men who are as completely shallow, stupid and uncultured as everyone else.

TM

Indeed. If you've ever spent any time in a gay neighborhood, it also becomes apparent that not all gay men are hot and buff. I'm sad to say.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I do not disagree that looks are important to men. I think that looks are very important to men. I just don't think they are as important to women -- first impressions or no first impressions. That was my point -- that looks are not so important to women, so that the presence or absence of hot men in the world that happen to be gay just doesn't factor into heterosexual relationships to the degree you think it does.

I think that looks are a factor for women in that there is sort of a minimum floor. But once above that floor, it's not a factor until they get pretty, and then that's a negative.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I think that looks are a factor for women in that there is sort of a minimum floor. But once above that floor, it's not a factor until they get pretty, and then that's a negative.

Would you ever considered having a basement?

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I think that looks are a factor for women in that there is sort of a minimum floor. But once above that floor, it's not a factor until they get pretty, and then that's a negative.

I agree with this.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I do not disagree that looks are important to men. Which is a characteristic that is universal for gay and straight men. I think that looks are very important to men. I just don't think they are as important to women -- first impressions or no first impressions. That was my point -- that looks are not so important to women, so that the presence or absence of hot men in the world that happen to be gay just doesn't factor into heterosexual relationships to the degree you think it does.

OK. That is fair. Men are definitely more into looks than women (which is true for straight and gay men - also a focus on youth). But I can tell you, when I was hanging out in the nightclubs with the gay models, there were a lot of dissapointed women.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Would you ever considered having a basement?

That's where the really noirish equipment is, sweetie.

[ABBAKiss]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I do not disagree that looks are important to men. I think that looks are very important to men. I just don't think they are as important to women -- first impressions or no first impressions. That was my point -- that looks are not so important to women, so that the presence or absence of hot men in the world that happen to be gay just doesn't factor into heterosexual relationships to the degree you think it does.

I was going to craft a response to this but then I realized that I don't really differentiate between gay or straight guys, so long as they are hot and want to have sex with me. So I guess I am posting to say that I have nothing to ass.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Indeed. If you've ever spent any time in a gay neighborhood, it also becomes apparent that not all gay men are hot and buff. I'm sad to say.

However, as someone who lived in a Fraternity house and in a gay neighborhood, the percentage of good looking, buff men who are well groomed is much higher in the gay neighborhood. Plus many of the men who were the "hot buff guys" in my fraternity that all the girls had crushes on turned out to be gay.