Fashion Board 11-2-03 - 12-09-03

[mmm3587]

Originally posted by baltassoc
Australian bands/artists that don't suck (not an exhaustive list, just the ones you've likely never heard of):

No such list is complete without a mention of TISM.

[dtb]

Originally posted by purse junkie
This has always seemed counterproductive to me since there's so much intermarriage it makes more sense from a survival perspective to include dads' heritage and make the tribe more, not less, inclusive. But this is balanced by my feeling that since pretty much every other major religion tells women to shut up and breed and it's otherwise the men that matter, it's nice that there's one religion that gives women some credit.

It would make more sense to include the dads, but that would be changing 5000 years of precedent, which the Orthodox certainly don't want to do. That's the idea, though, in reform circles.

Incidentally, it is the reason the Orthodox are so strident about intermarriage and decry the practice as "worse than the Holocaust" (I'm not kidding -- I've actually heard people say this -- Jewish people) in terms of the future of Jewry.

Now about the mother determining thing -- my understanding (I'm really not 100% sure about this -- someone correct me if I'm wrong -- like I had to say that on a chat board full of lawyers) is that the reason behind it isn't really so flattering for women. My understanding is that the reason that it is the mother who determines the religion is that maternity is never an issue (i.e., if a baby comes out of your body -- you're its mother), but paternity is. So, basically, it's because you can't trust those sluts not to sleep around, so we'll just say that the religion line goes with the mama.

Edited to correct unforgivable apostrophe error.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by baltassoc
I thought God told you rather forcefully and directly that those were off your menu.

Nope. Even my cardiologist realizes that all things in moderation are acceptable. Except salami and bloody marys. And I can only have corned beef or pastrami on my birthday.

Liver, on the other hand, is strictly forbidden. As are brussels sprouts.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
His dad . . . couldn't have gotten a minion together anyway.

Are you trying to imply that Jews are unable to assert authority??? Anti-semitic bastard.

This one really made me chuckle. Or at least smile.

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by dtb
So, basically, it's because you can't trust those sluts not to sleep around, so we'll just say that the religion line goes with the mama.

Yup. The Jewish faith isn't really pro female. Certainly not traditionally.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint

I had always figured you got your avatar from an email I'd gotten a few weeks before you went to that avatar. The email was being generally circulated.

So, Flinty, you didn't invent it.

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
This argument is dumb.

Bravo!

[dtb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Of course its not like being part indian where you get a share of Casino $$$ if you can prove it. Proving you're 1/16 Jewish does not give you partial control over movie making decisions.

Nor over global banking decisions. You need at least 3/4 for that.

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I've spent a few days in Hempstead once. I don't recall a whole lotta Jews... just a whole lotta Vinnies and Roccos and a whole lotta gold chains and ground effects on used BMWs.

The Town of Hempstead, with a capital T, represents, as e/o pointed out, a municipal designation; with the capital T Hempstead is a governing body that has jurisdiction over a number of smaller towns (lower case t) or villages or communities or whatever they call themselves. The lower case town of Hempstead is itself a geographic area with its own zip code and community identity, such as it is, and train station. To be clear, none of the five towns (villages, communities, whatever) that constitute the Five Towns (itself a term of convenience but not an official identifier in a municipal sense, notwithstanding the upper case T) sits, geographically, within or even terribly near the town, lower case t, of Hempstead.

So, SD, if you were sitting in a bar in Hempstead, you would not likely meet a denizen of the Five Towns, unless said denizen was slumming or killing time while waiting to pick up a friend at the train to go to Roosevelt Field Mall.

The Town of Hempstead is under the jurisdiction, in turn, of Nassau County. There are other big T/small t towns on Long Island, such as Huntington, Smithtown, Islip, and Westhampton. This means that if you live in Hewlett, you probably pay your RE taxes to or get your marriage license from the Town of Hempstead, but you would never identify yourself as being from Hempstead. Far from it.

The Five Towns area has a very large Jewish population, probably due to a good deal of migration from Brooklyn years back. The area has an enormous number of synagogues and Hebrew schools and is quite a force within the larger Jewish community of NY.

The demographic makeup of Hempstead the town is quite different from that of any of the Five Towns and I have no doubt that the bar scene was much like SD described. Hempstead the town does not have all that much to offer, but nearby Garden City is lovely.

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I had always figured you got your avatar from an email I'd gotten a few weeks before you went to that avatar. The email was being generally circulated.

So, Flinty, you didn't invent it.

Nah, I got it from a web site a while back. But it was being circulated before I think. In other words, I didn't invent it.

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by dtb
So, basically, it's because you can't trust those sluts not to sleep around, so we'll just say that the religion line goes with the mama.

All the other ones still think women are untrustworthy sluts. They're just not so outwardly insecure about it as to openly enshrine the eternal doubt re: parenthood into doctrine.

[lookingformarket]

Originally posted by dtb
Nor over global banking decisions. You need at least 3/4 for that.

There is the beauty of strictly following matrilineal descent. Ain't no 1/2 or 3/4. Jewishness is strictly binary (even if your mom is a slut*).















*Insert witty disclaimer regarding your cougar mom here.

Originally posted by ltl/fb
This is kind of one of those dammed if you do, dammed if you don't things. If you do assume, you are stereotyping. But if you don't assume that Mr. Cohen from [name of primarily Jewish area] is Jewish, and wonder e.g. where he's going for Christmas, you are ignorant and/or insensitive.

What fun.

Edited to note that I am looking forward to being bashed for thinking it's OK to ask of anyone where they are going for Christmas. In areas where there are not many Jews, it's a common question. People make assumptions -- like, I generally assume people can see so if I'm talking on the phone to someone I've never met, I will recommend an art exhibit and I don't find that insensitive since the vast majority of people are sighted.

Where I am at peopel can tell if you are jewish or not so know whether to say christmas or holidays.

[mmm3587]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
here's the glass-throwing cover story:

A friend of Christian Slater's on Slater's wife Ryan Haddon's arrest for spousal abuse after she reportedly chucked a glass at him -- creating a noggin slice that require nine stitches -- during a fight at a Los Vegas hotel: "She went to throw a glass of water at his face as a joke. He went down to get help with the cut and they called the police. He didn't want to press charges. It was an accident, but they had to arrest her. She was released from jail 12 hours later on her own recognizance."

I like how the "the bitch made me hit her" defense is now being adopted by women, but it's become the "it was a joke" defense.

Excuse me while I go beat my wife. It's ok, I'm just joking! Her bruises and blood are funny!

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
it sucks to have your parents disown you because you're marrying a Catholic girl who gives good head.

Jewish girls give great head, too. They just stop doing it after marriage.