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Did you just call me Coltrane? · 09-29-2004, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
of course not....don't you worry!

No really. I want to invite SS and they won't let me.

The Larry Davis Experience · 09-29-2004, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
I think this makes sense, given that both will be lying with every word they utter and neither will keep their promises. Do yourself a favor and watch without sound. You will know who won.

Tempting, but no. I'll leave that viewing style to the talking heads on the postgame shows.

ltl/fb · 09-29-2004, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?, Hank Chinaski, Shape Shifter
mensa, mensa, mensa

Sexist fucks.

Hank Chinaski · 09-29-2004, 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
No really. I want to invite SS and they won't let me.

So you believe you and SS are of about the same intelligence? I think I agree with that.

Did you just call me Coltrane? · 09-29-2004, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
So you believe you and SS are of about the same intelligence? I think I agree with that.

So does Mensa! That's the reason they let us in. I feel like we're going in circles.

Hank Chinaski · 09-29-2004, 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
So does Mensa! That's the reason they let us in. I feel like we're going in circles.

You're in MENSA alright. But you're going to be right the fuck back out if you put water in my JW Black/rock (not rocks) again.

Replaced_Texan · 09-29-2004, 06:58 PM

In ACLU Case, Federal Court Strikes Down Patriot Act Surveillance Power As Unconstitutional

September 29, 2004

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

"Censorship And Secrecy May Potentially Be Turned On Ourselves As A Weapon Of Self-Destruction," Court Says

NEW YORK - Saying that "democracy abhors undue secrecy," a federal court today struck down an entire Patriot Act provision that gives the government unchecked authority to issue "National Security Letters" to obtain sensitive customer records from Internet Service Providers and other businesses without judicial oversight. The court also found a broad gag provision in the law to be an "unconstitutional prior restraint" on free speech.

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/Safe...ID=16603&c=282

The court's decision is at:

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/Safe...ID=16596&c=262

ltl/fb · 09-29-2004, 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
In ACLU Case, Federal Court Strikes Down Patriot Act Surveillance Power As Unconstitutional

September 29, 2004

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

"Censorship And Secrecy May Potentially Be Turned On Ourselves As A Weapon Of Self-Destruction," Court Says

NEW YORK - Saying that "democracy abhors undue secrecy," a federal court today struck down an entire Patriot Act provision that gives the government unchecked authority to issue "National Security Letters" to obtain sensitive customer records from Internet Service Providers and other businesses without judicial oversight. The court also found a broad gag provision in the law to be an "unconstitutional prior restraint" on free speech.

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/Safe...ID=16603&c=282

The court's decision is at:

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/Safe...ID=16596&c=262

Wow. I like looking at the redacted documents. I particularly like that the gov't demanded that a quote from a published SCOTUS case be redacted. Not the cite, just the quote.

sgtclub · 09-29-2004, 08:14 PM

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WASHINGTON - Civil rights activist Jesse Jackson joined the campaign of Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) on Wednesday as a poll showed support for the presidential candidate slipping among black Americans, a critical Democratic constituency.

The Pew Research Center said Tuesday its latest poll showed 73 percent of blacks supporting Kerry compared to 12 percent supporting President Bush (news - web sites). In 2000, Al Gore (news - web sites) won 90 percent of the black vote.

This spells doom . . .

Gattigap · 09-29-2004, 08:37 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
This spells doom . . .

Why? At the moment it shows GWB getting two percent more than he got in 2000. (Implicitly, anyway -- I doubt that there were many black Nader supporters.)

SlaveNoMore · 09-29-2004, 08:59 PM

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sgtclub
This spells doom . . .

They need a "Disenfranchise Spokesman"

Say_hello_for_me · 09-29-2004, 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
Why? At the moment it shows GWB getting two percent more than he got in 2000. (Implicitly, anyway -- I doubt that there were many black Nader supporters.)

The article where that quote came from illustrates the shamelessness of the Democratic party.

First, The Democrats run ads saying that Bush wants blacks to stay home on election day.

The Republicans say, no actually we want them to come and vote for us because the Democrats are slaughtering their people (abortion), oppressing them into perpetual poverty (race-concious programs) etc. etc.

The Democrats come back and scream like little girls that the Republicans are race-baiting.

Would any Democrat like to defend this charge, or will somebody please stand up and admit that you have taken this voting bloc for granted?

I would love just for GWB to invite local blacks leaders over for a saturday morning chat now and again. Not Jesse and his extortion crew, but school principals, popular preachers, local politicians etc. I don't care if it never changed one person's mind... but its embarrasing at the national level that the Republicans don't even try. Getting 25 or 30% of the black vote (i.e., middle class, conservatives, suburbanites) would be a no brainer if the Republicans would just feel comfortable reaching out without looking guilty.

But hey, anyone want to argue that its really the Right that race baits?

Say_hello_for_me · 09-29-2004, 09:10 PM

please give me one good reason that I shouldn't donate to his (Lantos') campaigns (he's a Democrat).

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...stan_vote_nato

Tom Lantos, CA Democrat calls our European and NATO allies freeloaders, hypocrites, ingrates etc etc etc.

The thing is, he's right. Ironic how Kerry is going to argue tomorrow night that we need to get their approval.

For those of you on the Right side of center, I absolutely guarantee that you will enjoy reading the article. The guy basically just jumped up into my favorite Democrats list in 1 day.

Hello

taxwonk · 09-30-2004, 01:12 AM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Okay, lets assume it was an intended statement (absurd assumption, but still). He was talking about predictive results, not what he'd do to achieve results.
If Kerry said "I think I can get France to help" then a week later said "I'm not sure I can get France to help" that might be similar to what Bush said. Bush hasn't changed whether he'd try and kill the terrorists, right?

Flip-flopping on what the results might be- okay.
Flip-flopping on how you'll try and achieve the result- bad.

See, now I would argue that it's much worse to flip-flop on the results. But then, I think all this flip-flop talk is just so much horseshit anyway.

taxwonk · 09-30-2004, 01:17 AM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Bush has championed the biggest inititive, and overseen the greatest result in increasing alternative energy cars and resultant emission reduction. Look it up.

See! Provide a real cite and some "evidence" of harm and I'll blow it apart.

Oh, you mean, he is actually following through on one of Clinton's initiatives? There must have been a slip-up somewhere.