Politics: Where we struggle to kneel in the muck.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Okay in his 20 years he can point to one time where the rule worked. He "had dozens" of others cases that would have been a fight. Is it not posssible that the efficiency and incentives mentioned in the article might be better?

Have you ever spoken to even one environmental compliance officer at a major company? they do not want to violate, they want to comply. violation is too expensive.

I ask you Coltrane, is it not possible that the old man you quote is locked in the wars of the past, and a dinosaur?

Actually, I run into cases of companies not caring about compliance relatively frequently. Just like the IRS, the EPA hasn't sufficient resources to monitor compliance adequately, and they play the audit lottery.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by bilmore
There's a big difference between pro-life and pro-death. Be more exact.

Is that why so many pro-lifers are also in favor of the death penalty?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Really? It isn't that obvious to me. Or millions of other Americans who haven't seen a successful terrorist mission over here in the last 3 years.

As a matter of fact, I love it every time Kerry or one of his "puppets" says something like "Iraq is now a magnet for terrorists", as if this is a bad thing.

Far, far better for our military to kill them over there than to deal with them over here.

There wasn't a successful terrorist mission in the US for over two hundred years before we invaded Iraq, except for one that all evidence seems to indicate was largely put together in Afghanistan, Germany, and Florida.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by bilmore
Mom's a Muslim. Take that as you will, you racist jerk.

I seem to recall someone getting all bent out of shape over being called a racist when he pointed put that Islam is not a race. But apparently that person was not serious about turning down the level of animosity that has invaded the discourse around here.

Oh well.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by bilmore
What do you think "neocon" means?

ETA - It's a conservative viewpoint that accepts the role, and the morality, of Israel, as a good thing.

ETA again - ther's my flight.

That's an interesting definition. Where did you get it?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Well saying liberal thinker would have been an oxymoron.

I thought this election's official oxymoron was compassionate conservative? Or does each party get one?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
But as we all well know, the Dems crave failure.

One simple question. Where is Osama?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
I know this was unwelcome to many of the NIMBY "libertarians" and mostly-Rightists here two weeks ago, but this is yet another example of problems we wouldn't need to solve if subsidized and public housing were fairly distributed. First, the suburbs end as scared honkies don't have to keep running away (no, Sebby really did just want a one acre lot because he really, really likes planting an apple orchard!). Then, as people say, "fuck it, might as well live closer to work", there's less driving. Hell, mass transit gets funded, Democrats are driven out of their mobster-politician roles as the working and professional classes return, schools get re-desegregated (this time, voluntarily), Chicago turns into a shining Tokyo on a hill, and you and him don't even need to consider buying a hybrid or e-car.

Its like the unification theory. It just requires the death of the Democratic party and the end to asinine compromises between scared whites (read: just about everybody who protested here) and love-to-spend-other-people's-money liberals.

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I don't want to blow any holes in your theory or anything. Oh hell, yes I do, but only because it's silly.

I first moved to the suburbs because the city was too freaking crowded and dirty. But now, I live where I do because my employer is out here. And so is Sears. And Motorola. And Exelon (youu might remember it when it was just plain old Com Ed).

There's also the fact that I bought a new home for a little less than half what my brother paid for a falling-down "fixer-upper" in West Lakeview. Oh, and I have this thing called a driveway to park my car or for friends to park theirs.

You took a lot of shit for your theory because it has more holes in it than a wheel of Jarlsberg.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Wonkette is still low-profile enough that I'd imagine most politicos don't recognize her.

Given this, she may be able to step into Ali G's shoes once Government officials see the cameras, recognize his glasses and skullcap, and run for the hills.

As one example, here's Wonkette with Zell at the Reagan Awards Gala. Zell is unfamiliar enough with Wonkette to pose for this photo, and she almost got him to say the words "ass-fucking."

Unfortunately, based on her facial expression, I think she needs to learn to sell it better.

Oh, I think she's selling it just fine. I'd ass-fuck her.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Really, I think every issue should be decided by referendum. Fuck Congress.

As a lifelong Californian, I urge you to reconsider. Referenda result in worse laws than the parliamentary process.

This year's ballot will be filled with more "I like duckies and bunnies" initiatives, and several "Shall we issue five trillion in bonds to fund duckies and bunnies?" to back them up.

[SlaveNoMore]

taxwonk
One simple question. Where is Osama?

As I've been saying for months, dead in a cave somewhere.


Let me guess - Dan Rather has a memo to prove otherwise?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
As a lifelong Californian, I urge you to reconsider. Referenda result in worse laws than the parliamentary process.

This year's ballot will be filled with more "I like duckies and bunnies" initiatives, and several "Shall we issue five trillion in bonds to fund duckies and bunnies?" to back them up.

Is your sarcasm meter impaired? Jesus.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Is your sarcasm meter impaired? Jesus.

Sorry. Too many paddle blows to the head as a child.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Sorry. Too many paddle blows to the head as a child.

What are you, 60?

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by taxwonk
I don't want to blow any holes in your theory or anything. Oh hell, yes I do, but only because it's silly.

I first moved to the suburbs because the city was too freaking crowded and dirty. But now, I live where I do because my employer is out here. And so is Sears. And Motorola. And Exelon (youu might remember it when it was just plain old Com Ed).

There's also the fact that I bought a new home for a little less than half what my brother paid for a falling-down "fixer-upper" in West Lakeview. Oh, and I have this thing called a driveway to park my car or for friends to park theirs.

You took a lot of shit for your theory because it has more holes in it than a wheel of Jarlsberg.

Gee, when you don't have a substantive answer that can't be blown apart on a first pass, just call the other side "silly" or "stupid" or something. You know this Sebby character?

The fact is, people use codewords like "crowded and dirty" to justify moving from Austin to Oak Park, though the neighborhoods are virtually identical but-for this one little thing that the evil coalition has wrought.

Work? Who left the city first, the scared whites or Sears, Motorola and Exelon? Its the whole critical mass thing I addressed in another post.

Cheaper? Your subdivision wasn't new, was it? There have been numerous articles and studies in the Chicago area noting that the infrastructure for new communities (roads, sewers, schools) is bought with tax money from old communities. But hey, those aren't your neighbors anymore, so fuck-em, right?

So tell me about more holes in my theory regarding fairness etc. The fact is, you and the rest of the scared whites originally protested the idea of spreading section 8 to Lake Forest and Schaumburg and wherever-the-fuck Sebby lives. Let me guess, Motorola and Exelon and Sears won't hire those people, or they wouldn't be able to afford your half-off townhome, or... uhm, why shouldn't you suffer like those in the city again?

The thing is, nobody here has been able to justify the opposition. Y'all are too busy explaining that nope, its just better in the suburbs, and the lack of public housing and section 8 is just gravy!

Like I said. Wanna see how quickly the Democratic party agrees to get rid of your precious social programs? Threaten to fairly implement them so Democrats have to live with the results.

From the Republicans, the argument (not that you've presented any) is just disingenuous. From y'all Democrats, its downright hypocritical.

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